<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks for your replies,</div><div><br></div><div>Frederik thanks for your reply and advice as well. I know it comes from a good place and from the experience of working on this project, which I respect.</div><div><br></div><div>However, please allow me to humbly disagree with the overall message as I think it makes some assumptions, generalizations and false dilemmas. Also please take my comments on a constructive way</div><div><br></div><div>The fact that I am addressing this community to talk about a specific proposal does not mean that my contribution to OSM will be limited to it.</div><div><br></div><div>Your comment seems to assume that the fix will be temporary and dismiss it for it, but my idea is for this change to be a first baby step which hopefully can evolve into a more permanent and recurrent process. By dismissing the former because of its limited usage we are killing the later.</div><div><br></div><div>"Anyone consuming OSM data must be able to work with URLs that miss a schema", from an engineering perspective we are introducing lots of unnecessary work to the project ecosystem, especially consumers. A problem that can be solved easily in origin is ignored and we force all consumers to implement workaround independently potentially leading to inconsistencies in how users see OSM data. I myself had to implement a temporary workaround.</div><div><br></div><div>Another wrong assumption is that :website tags are only consumed by browsers. This is definitely not the case.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regarding the overhead and load in the database, I confess that I am not quite familiar with the implications of an edit like that. Thanks for pointing it out, I will definitely try to get more familiar with it</div><div><br></div><div>I have to disagree with your comment regarding the changes adding "no meaninful information whatsoever". With a 22% of websites that can be migrated to an https scheme and being http highly discouraged and considered plainly unsafe by all major browsers, these changes will positively impact end users and the owners of the amenities themselves.</div><div><br></div><div>You say that there are multiple better ways to contribute to OSM and this, although it may be 100% true IMHO is a false dilemma. The fact that I am proposing to fix an issue in the data does not imply my contribution will end there.</div><div><br></div><div>Think for a second about the content of your message if who was reading it was an impaired person who can't go outside with a notebook and browse pubs around but rather has to stay at home with IT being their only way of contribute to the project. This is not my case, but, did you know about it beforehand?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="courier new, monospace">--</font></div><font face="courier new, monospace">Rodrigo Díez Villamuera</font><div><font face="courier new, monospace"><br></font><div><font face="courier new, monospace">w: <a href="http://rodrigodiez.io" target="_blank">http://rodrigodiez.io</a><br></font><div><font face="courier new, monospace">t: @rodrigodiez_pro</font></div><div><font face="courier new, monospace">p: 00 44 7513 638225</font></div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 10:28, Dave F via Talk-GB <<a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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On 27/09/2020 19:35, Andrew Hain wrote:<br>
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<div>Keep Right flags web links that have gone offline.</div>
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Unfortunately it doesn't really do that. After a discussion with the
developer I found out it tests whether a server in central Europe
has a link to the UK URLs not if the actual link is current. I was
coming across far too many time consuming false-positives for it to
be useful. <br>
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Anyone know if there's a way to at least use a UK based server or to
conveniently ping multiple websites directly?<br>
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DaveF<br>
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<div id="gmail-m_-542697595697860559divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Philip
Barnes <a href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk" target="_blank"><phil@trigpoint.me.uk></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 27 September 2020 18:49<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>
<a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank"><talk-gb@openstreetmap.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change
proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites</font>
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<div>On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 16:28 +0100, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera
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<div>Hi all,</div>
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<div>First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this
email list and to thank you all for your contributions to
OSM. Great work!</div>
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<div>After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make
my first step as a contributor, hence this email and the
proposal inside.</div>
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<div>Please bear in mind that this is my first attempt to
contribute with a proposal and, although I have done my
best reading the community conventions and best practices,
I am sure I have made some mistakes on the way. Be
merciful! :P</div>
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<div>To the point now.</div>
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<div>I am importing a subset of nodes from UK (those tagged
with amenity:pub) for a pet project.</div>
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<div>When analysing the data I realised that some of these
nodes contain a website: tag that does not contain an
appropriate URL schema (http/https).</div>
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<div>Ie: <a href="http://www.mypub.com" target="_blank">www.mypub.com</a> rather than <a href="http://www.mypub.com" target="_blank">
http://www.mypub.com</a> or <a href="https://www.mypub.com" target="_blank">https://www.mypub.com</a></div>
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<div>This goes in contradiction with the <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:website" target="_blank">
Wiki documentation for website.</a></div>
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<div>I created a proposal for a one-off, scoped, automated
edit for these nodes to find the appropiate scheme for the
existing URL and retag the nodes.</div>
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<div>I added the proposal to the Automated edits log. You
can read it <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/rodrigodiez/Add_missing_URL_scheme_to_pub_websites_in_UK" target="_blank">
here</a>.</div>
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<div>Just wanted to share the proposal with the UK
community, gather your feedback, comments and advises on
how to proceed from here</div>
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<div>One issue I can think of with pubs and websites is that
they need checking to ensure they are still current. </div>
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<div>The defacto method most pubs use to communicate with
customers is facebook.</div>
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<div>A more general fix of urls missing http(s)://, why only
pubs?. is probably a maproulette quest.</div>
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<div>Phil (trigpoint)</div>
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