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<div>there is also bicycle=permissive (based on access=permissive) for<br></div><div>"permitted right now but can be revoked/changed at any time"<br></div><div><br></div><div>In general modelling "clearly illegal but accepted and normal" is problematic<br></div><div>for access/parking tagging in OSM.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Nov 21, 2020, 16:36 by tonyosm9@gmail.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><p>Wiki says<br></p><table class="" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" border="1"><tbody><tr><td><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"><a title="Key:bicycle" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bicycle</a></span><br></div></td><td><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"><bdi><a title="Tag:bicycle=yes" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Dyes" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">yes</a></bdi></span><br></div></td><td>Where bicycles are permitted, overriding default access
(such as to motorways that permit bicycles as commonly found
in western parts of North America)<br></td></tr><tr><td><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"><a title="Key:bicycle" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bicycle</a></span><br></div></td><td><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"><bdi><a title="Tag:bicycle=designated" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Ddesignated" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">designated</a></bdi></span><br></div></td><td>Where a way has been specially <a title="Tag:access=designated" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">designated </a>(typically
by a government) for bicycle use<br></td></tr></tbody></table><p>So in the example 'designated' is not an option as there are no
signs indicating that bicycles are allowed on this footway. <br></p><p>'yes' is probably wrong as there is no obvious permission and in
England and Wales Highways Act 1835 s72 'If any person shall
wilfully ride upon any footpath or causeway by the side of any
road made or set apart for the use or accommodation of foot
passengers;' . . .a penalty. So in the absence of any evidence -
no bicycles. <br></p><p>In practice it is customary to ride a bicycle and no one is
bothered unless inconvenience or damage is caused. But how to mark
this in OSM? Change the meaning of 'yes' to include customary use?<br></p><p>Tony<br></p><div class="">On 21/11/2020 14:04, Stephen Colebourne
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><pre class="" wrap="">I'm of the view that if it is fundamentally a footway then it should
be tagged as highway=footway. If bicycles are allowed, then add
bicycle=designated.
If the question is here:
<a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.545389,-0.2770973,3a,75y,234.69h,79.34t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_-EkidXXQeWqPY5KfXGmaQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D_-EkidXXQeWqPY5KfXGmaQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D96.41411%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656" class="" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.545389,-0.2770973,3a,75y,234.69h,79.34t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_-EkidXXQeWqPY5KfXGmaQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D_-EkidXXQeWqPY5KfXGmaQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D96.41411%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656</a>
then this is just a footpath across a bit of grass that someone has
decided to allow bikes on. Looks like a footway, rides like a footway,
tag like a footway
Stephen
On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 at 13:48, Dave F via Talk-GB
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<br></pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre class="" wrap="">There's a misconception that highway=cycleway implies an automatic authority over other path users. This is untrue It's just a hierarchy of the number of different transport modes permitted to use it. Similarly, highway=residential permits motor vehicles as well as bicycles & pedestrians.Who has right of way is specific to certain locations.
If it's definitely designated as cyclable (I couldn't see any signs in GSV) then I'd tag it as
highway=cycleway
bicycle=designated
foot=designated
segregated=no
surface=asphalt (in this case)
width=*
If you know it's a public footpath add:
designation=public_footpath
If you know the footpath's reference add:
prow_ref=*
Is there a reason you tagged it as access=no?
The only place a rider of a bicycle should go full speed is in a velodrome.
Cheers
DaveF
On 21/11/2020 10:28, Edward Bainton wrote:
Is there established tagging for a tarmac path that is ~1.5m wide, but designated foot and cycles shared?
Eg: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/871919974" class="" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/871919974</a>
There's highway=cycleway | cycleway=shared, but when you're on it it doesn't feel like one, and you can't go full speed. But maybe that's the best tag nonetheless?
Thanks.
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