<div dir="auto">Hi Michael,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The issue is that Golf Drive Recycling Point is not a [single] recycling container, it is a group of recycling containers.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Talking to a waste expert today I'm told an industry term is "bring site" as anybody may bring their recycling here....as opposed to a Household Waste Recycling Centre where only local residents may.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards,</div><div dir="auto"> Jez</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 28 Nov 2020, 13:10 Michael Booth, <<a href="mailto:boothym@gmail.com">boothym@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Jez, I'm confused :)</div>
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<div> Your first email recognised the
difference between a recycling centre (i.e. a council-run 'tip' /
'dump' that you can normally drive into) and a recycling point
(i.e. one with containers, found in supermarket car parks etc.).<br>
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<div>So I'm really not sure why you would
tag the "Golf Drive Recycling Point" as recycling_type=centre when
it is clearly recycling_type=container? There's really only two
options in the OSM data, and photos on the wiki page also make it
clear which is which:
<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:recycling_type" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:recycling_type</a> <br>
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<div>Examples in Aberdeen - centre: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/116883204" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/116883204</a>
and container: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/464736817" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/464736817</a><br>
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<div>On 27/11/2020 09:40, Jez Nicholson
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Agreed, "point" sucks as a value, I won't use
it....my fundamental reason for it not being a 'centre' was
size, but a Recycling Point _could_ be seen as a mini
Recycling Centre that only accepts recyclable waste. You can
see a perimeter boundary by the concrete area it is set on. I
could go with a site relation but you can't physically carry
out other activities between the constituent objects (unlike a
wind farm).</div>
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<div>I will try with 'centre' and including '....Recycling
Point' in the name.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 27 Nov 2020, 08:58 Dan
S, <<a href="mailto:danstowell%2Bosm@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">danstowell+osm@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op do 26 nov. 2020 om
19:21 schreef Jez Nicholson <<a href="mailto:jez.nicholson@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">jez.nicholson@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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<div>Okay, bear with. I know that this is detailed
mapping, but I enquired a while ago on the
amenity:recycling talk page and a single recycling
container == a single node. A group of containers ==
a group of nodes.</div>
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Here is an image of the highly attractive Golf Drive
Recycling Point <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Golf_Drive_Recycling_Point.jpg" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Golf_Drive_Recycling_Point.jpg</a>
featuring 6 * "amenity"="recycling" +
"recycling_type"="container" which accept different
items including <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379145" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379145</a>
glass, <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379151" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379151</a>
cans, cardboard, paper, plastic bottles, and <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379142" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379142</a>
a clothes bank.
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<div>The area they are contained in is called "Golf
Drive Recycling Point". There's a sign that says so.
I've added a polygon <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/877940580" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/877940580</a>
as "amenity"="recycling" + "recycling_type"="point"</div>
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<div>I can only really see containers or centres in <a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/recycling_type#values" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/recycling_type#values</a>
but this place is neither.</div>
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<div>Are you offended by "amenity"="recycling" +
"recycling_type"="point"? It seems like the UK term
for it.</div>
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<div>Honestly, "point" seems dangerously prone to
misunderstanding, when used as a value here in OSM. I
know we tend to say "recycling point", but that doesn't
mean that we say "point". "I'll just go to the point".</div>
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<div>I wish I could suggest a good alternative word, e.g.
a word we already use for some other type of feature.</div>
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<div>What is the fundamental reason this is not a
recycling_type=centre? Is it the size? (If so, no
problem - use "centre" on a suitable polygon.) Is it the
fact that it's unstaffed? (Could use self_service=only
or supervised=no.) Is it that there's no perimeter
boundary?<br>
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<div>Best<br>
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<div>Dan</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 26, 2020
at 4:25 PM Jeremy Harris <<a href="mailto:jgh@wizmail.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">jgh@wizmail.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 26/11/2020
11:16, Jez Nicholson wrote:<br>
> Am I missing something, or is there no concept
of a Recycling Point in OSM?<br>
> Have you seen/used anything else?<br>
<br>
<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:recycling_type" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:recycling_type</a>><br>
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-- <br>
Cheers,<br>
Jeremy<br>
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