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<div>Note that someone who wants to show their map style at OSM website can<br></div><div>be included, though they must sponsor hosting<br></div><div><br></div><div>See <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_tile_layers/Guidelines_for_new_tile_layers">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_tile_layers/Guidelines_for_new_tile_layers</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>As far as I know, the main blocker seems to be <br></div><div>"Capable of meeting traffic demands. The proposed tile layer server/server farm<br></div><div>must be capable of accepting the traffic volume from the OpenStreetMap website."<br></div><div><br></div><div>ÖPNVKarte is map style that joined recently.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Dec 13, 2020, 12:08 by nick@foresters.org:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><p>Seems to me that apart from the tagging, the issue highlighted
here is with how the general public cab easily use OSM? Going to
the OSM map, the layers on offer are Standard, Cycle Map (which
does show the driveway connected) etc. but if a user wants a more
specific use this is not easy to find. To my mind this is where
more options from the worldwide map fail to deliver and is a
bigger issue that can be resolved by understanding the 'customer'
journey better? <br></p><div>On 13/12/2020 10:28, Nick Allen wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I tend to think of tagging more in terms of 'who will use
this?' I know my local area extremely well, so I map it as best
I can using tags that will make sense to anyone visiting the
area. When I'm away from home I use OSM extensively to find
things, and hope that the local mappers are using a universal
scheme so that it will work for me.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I've travelled on roads in Portugal, Spain an parts of Africa
which dont have a surface such as tarmac (tarmacadam / asphalt)
or concrete, but instead have been built with a top coating
similar to clay, which is compressed and then smoothed using a
grader. Particularly in Portugal, at the time I drove on them,
these 'unsurfaced' roads were so good that they were better than
the (at that time) M25 which was full of pot-holes and difficult
to drive safely on.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Although <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highways" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highways</a> is the obvious choice to look at, I actually find that <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa</a> explains it better.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards & Happy Mapping / Surveying<br></div><div><br></div><div>Nick<br></div><div>(Tallguy)<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Sun, 2020-12-13 at 10:08 +0000, Edward Bainton wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px
#729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px">> </span></span><a target="_blank" style="font-size:14.6667px" href="https://85a.uk/noverton_farm_1280x800.jpg" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://85a.uk/noverton_farm_1280x800.jpg</a><br></div><div> ><br></div><div> <span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px">> It seems daft to me
that the mud gets rendered but not the hardcore. If</span></span><br></div><div> <span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px">> I change the "driveway"
to "track" that would be the dreaded tagging for</span></span><br></div><div> <span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px">> the renderer would it
not? Generally in this part of the world "track"</span></span><br></div><div> <span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px">> means mud, rather than
a roadway suitable for all vehicles.</span></span><br></div><div> <br></div><div><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px"></span></span><br></div><div><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px">I don't know what part
of the world you're in, but by my Fenland lights, I'd
probably call that a track, not a driveway - certainly
once it passes the farm buildings (since I see a driveway
as implying car-worthy access to a building). </span></span><br></div><div><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px"></span></span><br></div><div><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px">Would that solve it?
Driveway as far as the farm and then track?</span></span><br></div><div><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px"></span></span><br></div><div><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px">I'm going to risk
blasphemy and suggest that tagging for the renderer is
what we all do, all day (or why map?). The problem imo is
"fudging it for the renderer", or "outright lying for the
renderer". In this case, I'd say track is a valid choice -
I think even for the whole length, if by "driveway" we
infer something, short, tidy, and suburban.</span></span><br></div><div><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px"></span></span><br></div><div><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px">But I'm still a spring
chicken round here, relatively speaking, and I await
correction by my olders.</span></span><br></div></div><div><br></div><div class=""><div class="" dir="ltr">On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at
09:09, Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;
border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline;"><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px">>Getting
back to this case, this is the farm drive. Beyond the</span></span><br></div><div> <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline;"><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px">>cattle-grid
the public bridleway continues left through the farm</span></span><br></div><div> <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline;"><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px">>buildings,
and the surface deteriorates to the usual farm mud:</span></span><br></div><div> <br></div><div> <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline;"><span class="size" style="font-size:14.6667px"> <span> ></span></span></span><a target="_blank" style="margin:0px;font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://85a.uk/noverton_farm_1280x800.jpg">https://85a.uk/noverton_farm_1280x800.jpg</a><br></div></div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Apologies
for going off topic, but I knew that name (Noverton
Farm) sounded familiar.<br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">A
quick check of where it is would explain why. In 1998
I did a long distance walk from Sussex to the Peak
District, following ordinary footpaths (planned using
OS maps) and went through this area, the Teme Valley.
It was very nice <b>but</b> the footpaths were in an appaling state of
disrepair, I remember on several occasions that day
having to scramble through dense shrub cover and
attempt to negotiate barbed-wire fences. I seem to
recall Noverton Farm as being the site of some
particularly badly-maintained footpaths.<br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">As
an aside this walk is what indirectly got me into OSM.
I wanted to illustrate the walk on the internet but OS
licensing did not permit it, which is how I started
Freemap and then later got involved with OSM. I still
haven't illustrated this walk incidentally, but...<br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Would
be interested to find out if the area has improved
since..<br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Nick<br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div id="gmail-m_-5364143718525480236gmail-m_8201928484290745803Signature"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" dir="ltr" id="gmail-m_-5364143718525480236gmail-m_8201928484290745803divtagdefaultwrapper"><div style="margin:0px"><br></div></div></div></div></div><div><hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="gmail-m_-5364143718525480236gmail-m_8201928484290745803divRplyFwdMsg"><div><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri,
sans-serif"><span class="colour" style="color:#000000"><b>From:</b> Martin Wynne
<<a target="_blank" href="mailto:martin@templot.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">martin@templot.com</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> 12 December 2020 14:30<br> <b>To:</b> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a> <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track</span></span> </div><div> <br></div></div><div><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><div><div>On 12/12/2020 13:15, Andy Townsend wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > Ultimately, if "something needs doing",
"someone" will need to do it. <br></div><div> > Perhaps that someone is you?<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Hi Andy,<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Yes that someone could be me. I have a server
(located in Columbus, <br></div><div> Ohio) on which I am using only a fraction of the
available memory space <br></div><div> and bandwidth. I have been thinking of making
better use of it, possibly <br></div><div> by hosting something from OSM.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> > I'd suggest setting up a copy of the<br></div><div> > standard map rendering as per <a target="_blank" href="https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/" rel="noopener noreferrer"> https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/</a><br></div><div> > (just for Worcestershire would be fine) and
start tinkering with the<br></div><div> > logic that decides what sort of service road
is what, such as<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> <a target="_blank" href="https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/b10aef3866bacf387581b8fea4eec265010b0d14/project.mml#L475" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/b10aef3866bacf387581b8fea4eec265010b0d14/project.mml#L475</a> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> Thanks. I have been looking at <a target="_blank" href="https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/</a> but <br></div><div> I have a lot to learn. I can do Windows
programming, but on stuff for <br></div><div> the web I'm only a dabbler. I looked at Mapnik and
saw interfaces only <br></div><div> for Python and C. If that had been Pascal, I would
have dived in by now.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> I will have another look and see where I might
start. The idea of <br></div><div> creating my own map does appeal to me.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Getting back to this case, this is the farm drive.
Beyond the <br></div><div> cattle-grid the public bridleway continues left
through the farm <br></div><div> buildings, and the surface deteriorates to the
usual farm mud:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <a target="_blank" href="https://85a.uk/noverton_farm_1280x800.jpg" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://85a.uk/noverton_farm_1280x800.jpg</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> It seems daft to me that the mud gets rendered but
not the hardcore. If <br></div><div> I change the "driveway" to "track" that would be
the dreaded tagging for <br></div><div> the renderer would it not? Generally in this part
of the world "track" <br></div><div> means mud, rather than a roadway suitable for all
vehicles.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> This is where the farm drive leaves the road -
this is definitely more <br></div><div> than a "track" - note the double gates:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <a target="_blank" href="https://goo.gl/maps/XEs4XKs5UUHNBt8E8" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://goo.gl/maps/XEs4XKs5UUHNBt8E8</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> cheers,<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Martin.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> _______________________________________________<br></div><div> Talk-GB mailing list<br></div><div> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a target="_blank" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><br></div></div></span></span></span></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> Talk-GB mailing list<br></div><div> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><br></div></blockquote></div><pre>_______________________________________________<br></pre><pre>Talk-GB mailing list<br></pre><pre>Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org<br></pre><pre><br></pre><pre>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb<br></pre><pre><br></pre></blockquote><div><br></div><pre class="" wrap="">_______________________________________________
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