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FYI, here's the schema I personally use in Sweden, where heavy use
is made of ramped staircases, though not thankfully on major cycle
routes. My objective is to allow routers to intelligently route for
both sport/club/large group riding and happy meandering or commute:<br>
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bicycle=yes only on very shallow low incline steps where it is is
safe and practical to cycle an ordinary bike - not common but does
happen. Sometimes on shallow slopes a gravelled or informal path to
one side also exists.<br>
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where there is a ramp:<br>
ramp=yes<br>
bicycle=dismount (here I am tagging on practicality rather than
legalities, Sweden is much more relaxed than UK)<br>
ramp:stroller=yes where it is a double ramp, (a forgotten
transport demographic)<br>
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on short or low-incline flights of steps where an alternate route
would be much longer:<br>
bicycle=carry (informal/experimental) <br>
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I also strongly encourage step_count=x as that gives a bicycle
router more quantitative input on whether to route or avoid.<br>
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And lastly from unnerving Spanish experience, some sort of hazard
tagging at the top of steps where a formal cycle route plunges down
a steep flight of steps around a corner!<br>
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Mike<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-12-14 17:34, Jon Pennycook
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">resending as I think I sent it from the wrong email
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<div>However, blue advisory signs about HGVs are tagged as
hgv=discouraged, not as hgv=yes despite there being a legal
right of way for HGVs (sometimes, similar signs are shown for
all vehicles, eg on fords or ORPAs) - see "discouraged" at <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Land-based_transportation"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Land-based_transportation</a>
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href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Bicycle_Restrictions"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Bicycle_Restrictions</a> says
bicycle=dismount should be used for '<span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.3px;background-color:rgb(249,249,249)">signs
saying "Cyclists dismount"'.</span><br>
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<div dir="auto">Any sensible router should know that most
bicycles ought to dismount for most steps in the same
way they might suggest getting off and walking on a
short footway. Specifying bicycle=yes on steps may
override the built-in default (I think it does for
CycleStreets). </div>
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<div dir="auto">I would suggest not having a bicycle tag
at all on steps in preference to bicycle=yes on steps.
Ramp:bicycle=yes/no is a useful tag though. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 15:31,
Jon Pennycook <<a href="mailto:jon.pennycook@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jon.pennycook@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">However, blue advisory signs about HGVs are
tagged as hgv=discouraged, not as hgv=yes despite there
being a legal right of way for HGVs (sometimes, similar
signs are shown for all vehicles, eg on fords or ORPAs) -
see "discouraged" at <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Land-based_transportation"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Land-based_transportation</a>
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<div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Bicycle_Restrictions"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Bicycle_Restrictions</a>
says bicycle=dismount should be used for '<span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.3px;background-color:rgb(249,249,249)">signs
saying "Cyclists dismount"'.</span><br>
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<div dir="auto">Any sensible router should know that
most bicycles ought to dismount for most steps in the
same way they might suggest getting off and walking on
a short footway. Specifying bicycle=yes on steps may
override the built-in default (I think it does for
CycleStreets). </div>
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<div dir="auto">I would suggest not having a bicycle tag
at all on steps in preference to bicycle=yes on steps.
Ramp:bicycle=yes/no is a useful tag though. </div>
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<div>Jon</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at
11:04, Simon Still <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">simon.still@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>On 13 Dec 2020, at 19:18, Edward Catmur via
Talk-GB <<a
href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>>
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Dec 2020, 19:14 David Woolley, <<a
href="mailto:forums@david-woolley.me.uk"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">forums@david-woolley.me.uk</a>>
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13/12/2020 19:05, Edward Catmur via
Talk-GB wrote:<br>
> Also, the steps should have
bicycle=dismount, not =yes. This will
allow <br>
> people who can't dismount to go
around by the road.<br>
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Only if it is illegal to try to cycle up
and down the steps. Otherwise <br>
it is the duty of the renderer (router) to
infer that this will be <br>
necessary because of the steps.<br>
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<div dir="auto">The sign visible on Mapillary
says (white on blue) "Steps ahead cyclists
dismount". That seems pretty clear to me. </div>
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<div>White on Blue ‘cyclists dismount’ signs are only
advisory. It may be foolish to cycle down (or up) the
steps but it’s not illegal.</div>
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