<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div>I’d agree with your approach and I’ve raised this before, but haven’t had the time to come back to it. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>From a routing perspective it would be useful to be able to tag ACCESSIBILITY - ie sections of route that are unsuitable for some users - not related to the legality but so that disabled cyclists (unable to dismount), those using trailers or trikes or other non-standard cycles could specify a route that avoided sections where they could not ride.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Yes, I think bicycle dismount is correct tagging in this case not because of the legality but because of the steps. If the bridge was had a ramp, or there was a subway, and it *could* be ridden across (even if there was a cyclist dismount sign) then I think tagging the dismount would be wrong. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 14 Dec 2020, at 17:19, Michael Collinson <<a href="mailto:mike@ayeltd.biz" class="">mike@ayeltd.biz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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FYI, here's the schema I personally use in Sweden, where heavy use
is made of ramped staircases, though not thankfully on major cycle
routes. My objective is to allow routers to intelligently route for
both sport/club/large group riding and happy meandering or commute:<br class="">
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bicycle=yes only on very shallow low incline steps where it is is
safe and practical to cycle an ordinary bike - not common but does
happen. Sometimes on shallow slopes a gravelled or informal path to
one side also exists.<br class="">
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where there is a ramp:<br class="">
ramp=yes<br class="">
bicycle=dismount (here I am tagging on practicality rather than
legalities, Sweden is much more relaxed than UK)<br class="">
ramp:stroller=yes where it is a double ramp, (a forgotten
transport demographic)<br class="">
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on short or low-incline flights of steps where an alternate route
would be much longer:<br class="">
bicycle=carry (informal/experimental) <br class="">
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I also strongly encourage step_count=x as that gives a bicycle
router more quantitative input on whether to route or avoid.<br class="">
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And lastly from unnerving Spanish experience, some sort of hazard
tagging at the top of steps where a formal cycle route plunges down
a steep flight of steps around a corner!<br class="">
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Mike<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-12-14 17:34, Jon Pennycook
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<div dir="ltr" class="">resending as I think I sent it from the wrong email
address.
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<div class="">However, blue advisory signs about HGVs are tagged as
hgv=discouraged, not as hgv=yes despite there being a legal
right of way for HGVs (sometimes, similar signs are shown for
all vehicles, eg on fords or ORPAs) - see "discouraged" at <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Land-based_transportation" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Land-based_transportation</a>
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<div class=""><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Bicycle_Restrictions" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Bicycle_Restrictions</a> says
bicycle=dismount should be used for '<span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.3px;background-color:rgb(249,249,249)" class="">signs
saying "Cyclists dismount"'.</span><br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">Any sensible router should know that most
bicycles ought to dismount for most steps in the same
way they might suggest getting off and walking on a
short footway. Specifying bicycle=yes on steps may
override the built-in default (I think it does for
CycleStreets). </div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">I would suggest not having a bicycle tag
at all on steps in preference to bicycle=yes on steps.
Ramp:bicycle=yes/no is a useful tag though. </div>
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