<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 15 Dec 2020, at 14:35, Robert Skedgell <<a href="mailto:rob@hubris.org.uk" class="">rob@hubris.org.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">If 1057 is used on a carriageway</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">rather than on a lane or track, it presumably indicates a route,</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">although TSRGD 2016 does not elaborate upon this - is there an LTN which</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">does?</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">Not by any means. 1057’s are the ‘go-to’ way to DO SOMETHING for traffic engineers. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Cyclists getting hit by cars at a junction? Paint some 1057s across it ‘to alert drivers that there may be cyclists there” (though of course drivers should be conscious that there could be cyclists on any road) </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- can’t work out how to get cyclists around a bus stop or parked car? Paint a 1057 to indicate road position. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">OSM Wiki <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_routes" class="">Cycle_routes</a></div><div class=""> </div><div class="">"<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#202122" face="sans-serif" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-size: 14px;" class="">Cycle routes or bicycle route are named or numbered or otherwise signed route” </span></font></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#202122" face="sans-serif" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#202122" face="sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">I would argue that a ‘route’ marked with nothing but 1057 symbols is not useful in any way and doesn’t meet that definition </span></font></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#202122" face="sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#202122" face="sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">I have similar issues with London’s Q network - sections of un-numbered quietway. However, these should indicate a certain level of service - ie that they meet TfL s quality criteria in terms of traffic volumes etc - but also have a point. Q sections are supposed to be feeders for the strategic cycle network of QW and CS routes - ie follow a Q and you should soon get to a main, destination signposted, route. (though again, naming and numbering being revised and all routes that meet *latest* quality standards will be C numbered) </span></font></span></div></body></html>