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I agree with Jon that access=private is the only practical option
for front paths and that access=delivery can be useful but NOT in
the case under discussion.<br>
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I live most of the time in Sweden and the network of non-public
track and paths segments to get to a rural property can be complex,
my own included. In testing for a friend developing a real-life
router the solution is very simple:<br>
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public/destination -> private -> End-point. <br>
public/destination -> private -> private -> private ->
End-point. <br>
Yes allowed routes, and works for delivery vans. Equally valid for
visitors, emergency vehicles etc.<br>
<br>
public/destination -> private -> public/destination ->
private -> End-point. <br>
No, and stops delivery vans taking short cuts. Routing for
emergency vehicles could simply ignore this constraint or add al
lower penalty.<br>
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So:<br>
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<b>access=private </b><br>
with "private" defined as: "This way crosses private land and has no
explicit public rights attached to it. The land owner or their
representatives may have the right to refuse or block access or
require that you leave". <br>
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<b>access=destination</b><br>
As Jon suggests, means that if your front path connects through to
the back street, then you are allowing folks to cut through your
garden to get to the back street. Not what most people want for a
front path.<br>
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<b>access=delivery</b><br>
Yes for the special case of supermarkets and factories with
"Deliveries Only" service roads implicit or explicit. No for
private houses, not practical. If "private" were to explicitly imply
that one should not be here at all, then you'd really need
access=delivery;emergency;postman;friends;next_door_neighbours;their_cat;
... OK, I making a reductio ad absurdum argument, but a valid one I
think. <br>
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<br>
Mike<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-12-29 22:03, Jon Pennycook
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<div>Access=delivery seems better. </div>
<div dir="auto">Definitely not access=yes ("The public has an
official, legally-enshrined right of access; i.e., it's a
right of way.")<br>
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<div dir="auto">Alternatively, we assume that "private"
includes delivery and emergency, and leave
access=delivery for ways that are only used for
deliveries, eg for shops or factories. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Anything else implies that the general
public could use my path to reach one of my neighbours,
which is not something I have allowed them to do. I tend
to take "destination" to mean that you could get away
with using the way as a through route - the wiki says
"i.e., local traffic only" (local traffic isn't welcome
on my driveway or path!) </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 29 Dec 2020, 20:36
Martin Wynne, <<a href="mailto:martin@85a.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true">martin@85a.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
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29/12/2020 19:22, Jez Nicholson wrote:<br>
> The whole access= is indeed interesting.<br>
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As far as I can see there are only 2 possible values:<br>
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access=yes<br>
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access=destination<br>
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Even where a road has a big Private, Keep Out, No Visitors
sign, it <br>
would rarely exclude the postman or an Amazon delivery
van.<br>
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Or a doctor or an ambulance or a fire engine. Not to
mention the police.<br>
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Or an Ordnance Survey surveyor?<br>
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Do we have an access=tradesmans_entrance option?<br>
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Martin.<br>
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