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Reminds me a bit of one of my earliest (relatively speaking) mapping trips, which included the Tyneham ranges in south Dorset. That has a similar situation, but is open a bit more often - IIRC it's continuously open in July and August plus one weekend a month
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I can't remember exactly how I tagged the paths in the area, but given it was in summer 2006 (on a memorably hot and sunny day, of which there were many that year - consequently I did a huge amount of mapping that summer) I suspect it may well have just been
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Chris Hodges <chris@c-hodges.co.uk><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 02 January 2021 15:49<br>
<b>To:</b> talk-gb@openstreetmap.org <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Can we tag the Imber roads better with access:conditional?</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Thanks Richard,<br>
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Your fail-safety is a good point, and I agree that's a good way to look <br>
at it even though you're not likely to accidentally wander along the <br>
Imber road during firing as there are gates, usually guarded, so a <br>
detour rather than danger, but still to be avoided. This is unlike the <br>
byways further E where you have to watch out for red flags/lights; while <br>
they're more available than the Imber road they're still closed for <br>
firing at least as much as they're open, and tagged access=yes)<br>
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I'll have a go at a conditional tag - the current opening finishes <br>
tomorrow and the dates are published with fairly short notice, but at <br>
least it will give something to edit, and allow me to add a comment with <br>
the link<br>
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Funnily enough I was just using the query tool to check that yes indeed <br>
the Wiltshire Cycleway does pass through Somerset (Somerset being Tier <br>
4, this isn't allowed).<br>
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Chris<br>
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On 02/01/2021 14:31, Richard Fairhurst wrote:<br>
> Chris Hodges wrote:<br>
> > it doesn't feel right to imply it's always closed, especially as<br>
> > similarly tagged roads in the area are always closed<br>
><br>
> (For reference, Imber is perhaps open twice a year, once in summer for <br>
> around a week, once for a few days around New Year.)<br>
><br>
> access=private is the situation that applies for 96% of the year. It <br>
> therefore makes more sense for this to be the base tag, rather than <br>
> access=yes. As well as being more accurate more often, it "fails safe" <br>
> in this scenario, which is pretty important given that for 96% of the <br>
> time soldiers are firing guns and driving tanks here.<br>
><br>
> access:conditional= would be a good thing to add. You'd have to update <br>
> it each year when the MoD publish opening times but that should be <br>
> doable. It's a machine-readable tag and so whatever you put in there <br>
> should be machine-readable.<br>
><br>
> > but is that exposed to users (for sake of argument,<br>
> > someone going to openstreetmap.com)?<br>
><br>
> Not directly, but you could always suggest it as a feature for the <br>
> default osm-carto rendering. You can, of course, find out more about <br>
> any feature on OSM using the "?" query features tool.<br>
><br>
> Richard<br>
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