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I was referring to official Public Footpath or Public Bridleway signs of the style used by whatever council it is, rather than, say yellow arrows with no council identifier on, or vague "Footpath" or "Path signs".</div>
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I take Robert's point, but we do need some way of giving these 'de-facto' routes which diverge from the definitive map route some sort of prominence (over random unmarked paths or even permissive paths) to allow people to plan walks and see where the path they
are actually likely to take goe</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Chris Hodges <chris@c-hodges.co.uk><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 07 January 2021 09:26<br>
<b>To:</b> talk-gb@openstreetmap.org <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way mapping guidance for Wiki</font>
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<div class="PlainText">If that means signed by the council as "public footpath" (or
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byway/bridleway) rather than signed by the council as "Cotswold way" (to <br>
use a local example, some small sections of which are permissive), then <br>
it's a sensible approach. I've come across council signs which aren't as <br>
straightforward though: "footpath to..." - yes but is it a<br>
PROW?<br>
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On 07/01/2021 09:04, Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB wrote:<br>
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> My own personal view is that the 'on the ground route' is what counts, <br>
> if it has been officially signed by the council. This means that it's <br>
> the de-facto route, the one the council is recommending you use, and <br>
> the one which is is used practically.<br>
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> If people want to access the Definitive Map route (or at least the <br>
> digitised version of it), they can always view that as an overlay on <br>
> top of the on-the-ground truth. Otherwise the OSM database just gets <br>
> messy, is there any need for us to duplicate the Definitive Map data?<br>
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> Nick<br>
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> *From:* Edward Bainton <bainton.ete@gmail.com><br>
> *Sent:* 07 January 2021 08:33<br>
> *To:* Dave F <davefoxfac63@btinternet.com><br>
> *Cc:* Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org><br>
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way mapping guidance for Wiki<br>
> I do wonder whether we need to have two keys: one for legal and one <br>
> for physical.<br>
><br>
> This tension keeps surfacing. It seems to me we're trying to square a <br>
> circle, in that there are two wholly different aspects of access: may <br>
> and can. Both are important, and if access keys can reflect only one <br>
> of the two (even supposing we can agree which one that is!), absurd <br>
> cases are bound to crop up.<br>
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> On Thu, 7 Jan 2021, 01:56 Dave F via Talk-GB, <br>
> <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org <<a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org">mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> You misunderstood the meaning of the access key which represents the<br>
> *legal* right, not the physical (in)ability.<br>
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> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access</a><br>
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> DaveF<br>
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> On 06/01/2021 16:24, Martin Wynne wrote:<br>
> > On 06/01/2021 16:07, nathan case wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> You should not assume that access is or is not permitted by other<br>
> >> transport modes. It may not even be possible to determine this<br>
> from a<br>
> >> ground survey.<br>
> ><br>
> > The presence of stiles or kissing gates on a footpath pretty well<br>
> > rules out any practical use by bicycles or horses.<br>
> ><br>
> > Does this mean bicycle=no, horse=no? If not, how else to<br>
> indicate that<br>
> > bicycles and horses are physically blocked? Even if permitted in<br>
> theory?<br>
> ><br>
> > Martin.<br>
> ><br>
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