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<p>One final entry from me. St Helens Council have an excellent
resource for searching their cemetery records at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.sthelens.gov.uk/births-deaths-and-marriages/deaths-funerals-and-cremation/deceased-search">https://www.sthelens.gov.uk/births-deaths-and-marriages/deaths-funerals-and-cremation/deceased-search</a></p>
<p>There are maps of the two graveyards covered but it's only a plan
of the sections - no specific grave locations.</p>
<p>Colin</p>
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<div dir="auto">Hi All,<br>
<br>
Thanks for the great responses, I will pass them all on.<br>
<br>
The kirkburton site looks great, shame they haven’t used Open
Street Map for their map, but there is a definite charm in the
hand drawn maps.<br>
<br>
The examples of big cemeteries are great (Washington DC, Paris
and Highgate) as is the landuse=religious wiki page, which
seems very thorough and should act as a good guide.<br>
<br>
Findagrave.com also looks interesting - it seems to be started
by an individual but now owned/operated by Ancestry.com with a
lot of community feedback, so this could be a good additional
place to put data (obviously I would encourage adding to
openstreetmap first ;)). It <em>seems</em> to me, that if
findagrave.com is a well known resource for grave yards that
it would be useful to add the find a grave id to
openstreetmap, but TagInfo seems to indicate that findagrave
has only been referenced once - <a
href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=findagrave#values"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=findagrave#values</a> -
I presume an appropriate tag would be ref:findagrave, but is
there a better tag, or a reason not to add the reference at
all (or a better reference source)?<br>
<br>
In terms of privacy or access etc, the family friend has been
specifically commissioned by the parish and also has access to
all of their records (or will have once pandemic eases and
access is possible).<br>
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Best,<br>
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<div dir="auto">I also wondered about progressively mapping
cemeteries previously, there are websites that allow people
who live too far from a cemetery to request that someone
locally take a photo of an ancestor's grave. My local
cemeteries are labelled by area, but each area can contain
dozens of graves. Mapping row numbers would massively
simplify finding particular plots.
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moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.findagrave.com/photo-request/search/cemetery/880537?sortBy=newest&searchRadius=5</a><br>
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Mark Goodge, <<a href="mailto:mark@good-stuff.co.uk"
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On 14/02/2021 16:29, David Woolley wrote:<br>
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> I have come across graveyards that have no
photography rules (the one in<br>
> question had a relatively famous grave), and I think
others sell grave<br>
> catalogue information, so might not appreciate OSM
mappers (they are<br>
> private property).<br>
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Most graveyards and cemeteries belong either to the church
they are<br>
associated with or the local authority (usually the parish
council if<br>
there is one, otherwise the district or unitary
authority). While<br>
technically private in the sense of not being dedicated as
a public<br>
right of way, they are almost always open to access by the
public - not<br>
least because the owners of individual burial plots have a
right of<br>
access, and it would be impractical to restrict access to
such people<br>
alone. So, provided you do it reasonably discreetly, and
don't disturb<br>
people who are there to visit graves, I can't see any real
objection to<br>
people accessing the site to help map it.<br>
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(In fact, the legislation governing municipal cemeteries
includes a<br>
clause prohibiting entry to a cemetery when it is closed
to the public;<br>
the existence of that clause implies that, when not
closed, it is open<br>
to the public!)<br>
<br>
A "no photography" rule is, usually, also about protecting
the privacy<br>
of people visiting the graves of their friends and
relatives. It's a<br>
location were people may well be in an emotional state
(particularly if<br>
the grave is a recent one and they were close to its
occupant), and the<br>
last thing they want is to end up in someone else's photo
gallery.<br>
<br>
As for selling catalogue information, that's usually made
available for<br>
the benefit of visitors to the graveyard and the cost is
merely a way to<br>
defray the expenses incurred in maintaining the catalogue
(and, if it's<br>
supplied on paper, the printing and materials costs). It's
rarely a<br>
profit-making exercise. So they may well welcome the work
of volunteer<br>
mappers who would be producing data that can be used in a
catalogue.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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