<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Verdana;">Hi Jay and Spike,<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">After reading this thread it occurred to me that StreetComplete has several questions about bus stops - whether they have a shelter; whether they have a bench, etc. If there are answers to these questions in the database, that strongly implies that someone has been there, and confirmed the location.<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">So, as an experiment, I used OSMcha to find all the changesets I ever contributed to StreetComplete bus stop challenges, and set them to naptan:verified=yes with a check_date set to the date of the last StreetComplete-sourced change (which might not have been by me). I also set a source:naptan:verified for posterity.<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">Happily, these were all bus stops I have a passing familiarity with. <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/100491768">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/100491768</a></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">If you care about naptan:verified tags, this might be an approach to safely armchair-mapping a few.<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div id="sig98312048"><div class="signature">---<br></div><div class="signature"><a href="https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain">https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain</a><br></div><div class="signature"><a href="mailto:spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk">spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk</a><br></div></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div>On Sat, 27 Feb 2021, at 10:52 AM, Jay Turner wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div dir="auto"><div>Hi all,<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There's talk about depreciating naptan: verified in favour for check_date:*=*<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'd suggest check_date:naptan:AtcoCode=* or check_date:naptan:NaptanCode=* dependent on what's displayed. (As that varies regionally)<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The message is here: <a href="https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/2566#issuecomment-787049474">https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/2566#issuecomment-787049474</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Feedback requested<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">J<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, 22:32 Silent Spike, <<a href="mailto:silentspike100@gmail.com">silentspike100@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1px;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 8:38 PM Jay Turner <<a href="mailto:jaynicholasturner@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jaynicholasturner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1px;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>I don't really know how to analyse the data of the other 65% but I'll place a bet it's not in a great state. Additionally, 95% of all `naptan:verified` tags are `no`.<br></div><div><br></div><div>FYI, I think the correct tagging for verified is `naptan:verified=yes` - I know some people delete the tag.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The original import surveying guidelines actually say to delete the tag which is likely why it's 95% of the values: <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Surveying_and_Merging_NaPTAN_and_OSM_data" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Surveying_and_Merging_NaPTAN_and_OSM_data</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I only know this because I did a deep dive into those wiki pages back when I was planning my more recent Aberdeen import.<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 8:38 PM Jay Turner <<a href="mailto:jaynicholasturner@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jaynicholasturner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1px;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div><b>I want to know if it's possible to reimport/mass update NaPTAN data from the latest set of information</b>. Additionally, I propose a few extra tags;<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr"><br></div></div></div><div>It's certainly possible to join existing <span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(248, 249, 250);"><span class="font" style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"><span class="size" style="font-size:14px;">naptan:AtcoCode</span></span></span> tagged features to the NaPTAN dataset and apply tags based on that. I originally intended to update the script I wrote for the import to do exactly that, but never got round to it. As for the extra tags, there's an old thread on this list from when I proposed my import where some insightful discussion of the tags to import took place. In the end I imported less than the original import because bloating OSM elements with tags from another data set is not desirable when the identifiers (primary keys) serve as a link. 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