<div dir="auto">The Wikidata records were brand new this weekend. They use government lat-lons which means they'll most definitely be suspect...which is why we need to link to OSM which will most definitely by right.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You can manually update the Wikidata record, or we will programmatically adjust the lot when they've all been tagged in OSM</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 16:23 Peter Neale, <<a href="mailto:nealepb@yahoo.co.uk">nealepb@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div><div dir="ltr">So, I looked at Paul's HWRC to see a perfect example of how to tag. ...and I found that the Wikidata entry to which it is linked has the location some 300m (as the cow flies) away from the location that Paul has mapped (and Paul's mapping is confirmed by G**gle E**th and Str**tview)</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Then I looked up one of the 3 HWRC's in my area (yes, 3! - luxury!) and found that it is shown on the OSM map in Wikidata just over 1,000m away from the true position.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Dumb question: Would it be really good / quite a good idea / a waste of time for us / me to correct the Wikidata, as we / I update the mapping in OSM and link to Wikidata? </div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:new times,serif;font-size:16px"><div>Regards,</div><div dir="ltr">Peter</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div></div><div><br></div>
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On Monday, 22 March 2021, 15:03:27 GMT, Jez Nicholson <<a href="mailto:jez.nicholson@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jez.nicholson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="m_7718647943728065023ydp78f1ed36yiv5498707795"><div><div dir="ltr">Took me a few minutes to work out that Paul's HWRC is down as 'Springvale' although clearly, from the sign, it is called 'Penistone'. The pains of data eh! I've put the wikidata id on it from <a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Household_waste_in_the_United_Kingdom#List_of_HWRCs" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Household_waste_in_the_United_Kingdom#List_of_HWRCs</a><div><br clear="none"></div><div>We've got a proof-of-concept web app at <a shape="rect" href="https://dev.jackgilmore.me/" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">https://dev.jackgilmore.me/</a> which is going to be elevated to "OpenWasteMap.org" soon. Uses Overpass Turbo to pull data combined with Wikidata.</div></div><br clear="none"><div><div id="m_7718647943728065023ydp78f1ed36yiv5498707795yqt27744"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 2:37 PM Chris Hodges <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:chris@c-hodges.co.uk" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">chris@c-hodges.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>My Apr-Sep was a guess, but apparently a good one. Mine
(<a shape="rect" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/636303826" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/636303826</a> ) clearly needs a bit
of surveying. Maybe I'll have enough stuff to be worth going
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<div>My local recycling centre helpfully signs the summer/winter
opening times, permit system, and prohibited pedestrian
access. You can see how I tagged it, with a link through to
the source photo, here: <a shape="rect" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/27445657" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/27445657</a></div>
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definitions that pick up off the clock change days, which
I doubt would be possible with the current syntax. If
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<p>My local Chorley Recycling Centre</p>
<p> <a shape="rect" href="https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=53.63462870271903&lng=-2.64895511208465&z=19.259070961605016&pKey=po3NgIdhU2YI7-tzgFtQ2Q&focus=photo&x=0.5055185484717322&y=0.4879444087446956&zoom=1.6289592760180995" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=53.63462870271903&lng=-2.64895511208465&z=19.259070961605016&pKey=po3NgIdhU2YI7-tzgFtQ2Q&focus=photo&x=0.5055185484717322&y=0.4879444087446956&zoom=1.6289592760180995</a><br clear="none">
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<p>Allowed with PERMIT - Vans, Twin Axle Trailers, Pick
ups and Flat backs, Pedestrians</p>
<p>Not Allowed - Vehicles with more than 4 wheels, Tipper
vehicles, Trailers longer than 3 metres, Trade Waste.</p>
<p>Operated by Suez under contract from Lancashire County
Council</p>
<p><b>Opening Hours are seasonal - Winter - 0900-1700,
Summer 0700-1900 - how can that be tagged?</b></p>
<p><b>And is the Household Waste list of sites updated
automatically? Cos Farington is in the list but has
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<pre>Would foot=no with motor_vehicle=yes (or motor_vehicle=only) on the gate or access road do the trick?
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<pre>Seconded: access is a crucial detail (along with opening hours and types of
waste accepted).
They are one of those features that are not only impossible to armchair map
in any detail but actually require a resident to drive through the facility.
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<pre>Hmm. I have used (and mapped) these in both Oxfordshire and Cornwall.
Both appeared to cater only for vehicles, but I don't think they
actually displayed any notices to that effect. I don't know what would
happen if a pedestrian turned up with a wheelbarrow of waste or a
rucksac of rubbish even if they could walk along the long access roads.
How would you tag that for access? Similarly I have never been asked to
prove residence.
ael
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