<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Verdana;">Hi Ed,<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="background-color:inherit;color:var(--pageTextColor);">Have you read up on building:part? Basically, you create a separate closed way for each element of the building, but mark it building:part=whatever instead of building=whatever. The parts can be tagged with their individual attributes- like height or roof shape or material.</span></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="background-color:inherit;color:var(--pageTextColor);">Then you create a building=whatever that encloses all the parts and has the common tags - likely the address. (The JOSM shrinkwrap plugin is great for this.). For extra credit, you can put all the parts into a relation.</span><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="background-color:inherit;color:var(--pageTextColor);">Details here</span></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="background-color:inherit;color:var(--pageTextColor);">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:part</span><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:building</div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="background-color:inherit;color:var(--pageTextColor);">Appolgies if you've already thought of this.</span></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div id="sig98312048"><div class="signature">---<br></div><div class="signature"><a href="https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain">https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain</a><br></div><div class="signature"><a href="mailto:spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk">spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk</a><br></div></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div>On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, at 10:34 PM, Edward Bainton wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks both. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I didn't realise that was your site, Mark. Just the grey data is plenty - thank you. But the wikidata may have taken care of that anyway.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Any suggestions on how to deal with the multiple building parts? (best pic is at the bottom <a href="https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1059941">here</a>)<br></div><div><br></div><div>I could call the mid-19C bit and the 1970s bit one building altogether I suppose, plus amenity=place of worship - the functional reality. <br></div><div><br></div><div>But looking at the site it feels like splitting hairs to call it one building, rather than two with a bridge between - especially given one is listed and one (most definitely, one hopes) is not.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Case for a relation, maybe? Or make it two buildings and have contiguous polygon "=place of worship" traced around the perimeter?<br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 at 15:47, Jez Nicholson <<a href="mailto:jez.nicholson@gmail.com">jez.nicholson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">I just linked it to its Wikidata record. Wikidata has all (not sure from when) the listed buildings, and could aid with additional linked data.<br></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 3:40 PM Mark Goodge <<a href="mailto:mark@good-stuff.co.uk" target="_blank">mark@good-stuff.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 21/07/2021 14:55, Edward Bainton wrote:<br></div><div> > I like the full name and I like the GB namespace.<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > May I fork the thread and ask about listed buildings generally?<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > There's a useful website that claims its info on listed stuff comes from <br></div><div> > the Open Government licence.<br></div><div> > <a href="https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/site/about" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/site/about</a> <br></div><div> > <<a href="https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/site/about" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/site/about</a>><br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > I see the wiki says OGL needs reviewing case-by-case.<br></div><div> > <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Government_Licence" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Government_Licence</a> <br></div><div> > <<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Government_Licence" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Government_Licence</a>><br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > Any views on whether it's safe to include data from that site (or from <br></div><div> > the source Crown Copyright sites) in the map?<br></div><div> <br></div><div> The Historic England downloadable data is OGL:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <a href="https://historicengland.org.uk/terms/website-terms-conditions/data-downloads/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://historicengland.org.uk/terms/website-terms-conditions/data-downloads/</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> There's the usual disclaimer that if any part of the data is sourced <br></div><div> from OS, then OS may also assert rights over it. But I think that's just <br></div><div> backside covering by HE; there doesn't seem to be anything in the data <br></div><div> that is likely to fall foul of OS rights.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> If you actually download the data itself, then the zip file comes with a <br></div><div> copy of the OGL and a PDF which essentially repeats the page cited above.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> > Eg, there are some tags I'd like to include on Ivor House in Taunton.<br></div><div> > <a href="https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101059941-ivor-house-taunton-deane-taunton-manor-and-wilton-ward" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101059941-ivor-house-taunton-deane-taunton-manor-and-wilton-ward</a> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> What information on there are you specifically interested in? If it <br></div><div> helps, the data in the grey box is all explicitly OGL - the entry <br></div><div> details are directly from the bulk downloads (as above), and the <br></div><div> location data is inferred from ONS and OS open data products as well as <br></div><div> the Historic Counties Trust. Mapcodes and Pluscodes use the standard <br></div><div> open source algorithms as per their respective creators.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> It has just occurred to me that the credits page doesn't mention these <br></div><div> additional sources (because, when I originally put the site together, I <br></div><div> wasn't using them). I do need to update that!<br></div><div> <br></div><div> At some point, when I have sufficient circular tuits, I also want to <br></div><div> cross-reference the Historic England GIS downloads with the ONS and OS <br></div><div> Open UPRN datasets, to see if I can identify the correct UPRN for each <br></div><div> entry.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Mark<br></div><div> <br></div><div> _______________________________________________<br></div><div> Talk-GB mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><br></div></blockquote></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> Talk-GB mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><br></div></blockquote></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Talk-GB mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote></body></html>