<div dir="auto">Thanks for this summary. I agree tidying up the wiki and our practice is a good idea and thank you for thinking it all through. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm hardly a tagging connoisseur but I'll venture one further point:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I thought Robert Whitaker's point about the ref tag being more efficiently done as the *dataset* name made a great deal of sense (rather than the dataset *maintainer* name, HE, Cadw, etc, as at present and retained in your proposals).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I replied to him, accidentally off-list, pointing out that HE actually runs two lists ("legacy" and current), which is evidence to me that his suggestion is germane as well as being more practical/efficient.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I see several advantages:</div><div dir="auto">1) ease of parsing, as RW said </div><div dir="auto">2) related, good precedent for other ref systems</div><div dir="auto">3) expandable in the case that the heritage org decides to renumber things again</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The documentation would be hardly more complex, and if we're changing things up I think Robert's suggestions are low cost for significant gain.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Edward</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 26 Jul 2021, 11:41 Tony Shield, <<a href="mailto:tonyosm9@gmail.com">tonyosm9@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Having started this discussion may I summarise and then outline
what actions I propose to perform unless there are objections.</p>
<p>I intend to change the HE entries I have added over the last year
or so to conform to this agreed scheme on a case by case basis -
no mechanical edit.</p>
<p>If people want a mechanical edit I will assist if I can.</p>
<p>Wiki sites</p>
<p><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:heritage" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:heritage</a></p>
<p><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status</a></p>
<p><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:HE_ref" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:HE_ref</a> <br>
</p>
<p>Summary</p>
<p>The preferred operator is of the form</p>
<p>heritage:operator=Historic England<br>
heritage:operator=Cadw<br>
heritage:operator=Historic Environment Scotland<br>
heritage:operator=Northern Ireland Environment Agency</p>
<p>The preferred references are of the form</p>
<p>ref:he=12345<br>
ref:hs=LB2345<br>
ref:cadw=34567<br>
ref:niea=55643</p>
<p>as defined in the Key:heritage.<br>
</p>
<p>The country namespaced version ref:GB:he has merit and I can see
has a definition for Austria, China, Hong Kong but with lower case
country codes; I will not change to this format without further
discussion.</p>
<p>Proposal</p>
<p>1. Change the Key:heritage page to use the full name rather than
the abbreviated names.</p>
<p>2. Change the Key:listed_status page to remove the HE_ref
references, also change the operator references to conform with 1
above, list tags which are relevant to a complete listing e.g. url
of HE, operator of the site, start_date of the building. <br>
</p>
<p>3. Modify the Key:HE_ref page to indicate this is deprecated and
the style of Key:heritage is preferred.<br>
</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Tony (TonyS999)<br>
</p>
<div>On 21/07/2021 13:15, Jez Nicholson
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I also think that full name should be used for
heritage:operator=Historic England
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<div>I would like refs to be GB namespaced.... ref:GB:he,
ref:GB:hs, ref:GB:cadw, ref:GB:niea</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 1:11
PM Mark Goodge <<a href="mailto:mark@good-stuff.co.uk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mark@good-stuff.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
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On 21/07/2021 11:51, Tony Shield wrote:<br>
> -------------------------------------------<br>
> <br>
> There is clear conflict between heritage:operator with
values of <br>
> Historic England and he.<br>
> <br>
> References are using the tags HE_ref or ref:he with the
same value.<br>
> <br>
> Data Integrity suggests using one method of tagging and
having the <br>
> documentation clear about which tagging to use.<br>
> <br>
> Can we discuss with a view to agreeing one method - the
Global heritage <br>
> style or the UK listed status style?<br>
<br>
My personal opinion, for what it's worth, is that the value of
<br>
heritage:operator should be the normal English name, not an <br>
abbreviation. So<br>
<br>
heritage:operator=Historic England<br>
heritage:operator=Cadw<br>
heritage:operator=Historic Environment Scotland<br>
heritage:operator=Northern Ireland Environment Agency<br>
<br>
but the ref tag should follow the global pattern, rather than
creating <br>
new tags, and use abbreviations. So, for example:<br>
<br>
ref:he=12345<br>
ref:hs=LB2345<br>
ref:cadw=34567<br>
ref:niea=55643<br>
<br>
This makes for consistency and better machine reading of the
data, while <br>
preserving human readability of tag values.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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