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<div>From: "Steven Hirschorn" <<a href="mailto:steven.hirschorn@gmail.com">steven.hirschorn@gmail.com</a>></div>
<div>To: "Edward Catmur" <<a href="mailto:ecatmur@googlemail.com">ecatmur@googlemail.com</a>></div>
<div>Cc: "David Groom" <<a href="mailto:reviews@pacific-rim.net">reviews@pacific-rim.net</a>>; "<a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>></div>
<div>Sent: 13/09/2021 16:44:54</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Electric kick scooters- Was: External data on bike rental locations</div><div><br /></div>
<div id="xfd2e364f9b6549b"><blockquote cite="CAKRE0yq6guRU=yQhBoVjBzMtJLMn1JnMqShzkc9vrrnom=L48g@mail.gmail.com" type="cite" class="cite2">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br />Wiki has "amenity=kick-scooter_rental" (note mixed punctuation): <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dkick-scooter_rental">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dkick-scooter_rental</a></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br />That's a really horrible mix of hyphens and underscores to create a long term that isn't very commonly used in the UK (at least). And there's only 114 of them.</div></div></div></blockquote><div id="xfd2e364f9b6549b">Not sure that tag went through any RFC as a proposal, and if the tag in some form was to be used I would have thought it better to have been "<span>amenity=kickscooter_rental" to avoid possible tagging mistakes with people mixing hyphens and underscores</span></div><div id="xfd2e364f9b6549b"><br /></div><blockquote cite="CAKRE0yq6guRU=yQhBoVjBzMtJLMn1JnMqShzkc9vrrnom=L48g@mail.gmail.com" type="cite" class="cite2"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br /></div><div>I thought eBike and eScooter were well used terms. There's nothing to map for ebike_rentals though as there are no preferred locations that I'm aware of. When Mobike existed locally, renting pushbikes, they theoretically had preferred locations, but you could (and most people did) leave them anywhere! They depend on an app to find the scooters/bikes so a designated return point isn't needed unless an authority requires it.</div></div></div></blockquote><div id="xfd2e364f9b6549b">Whilst eBike and eScooter may be well used terms, the question then becomes is it important in OSM to be able to differentiate between something you sit on, and something you stand on? I would have thought that it is.</div><div id="xfd2e364f9b6549b"><br /></div><blockquote cite="CAKRE0yq6guRU=yQhBoVjBzMtJLMn1JnMqShzkc9vrrnom=L48g@mail.gmail.com" type="cite" class="cite2"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>nb. "unlike the dockless bikes and ebikes" - in the City at least, dockless schemes are required to use designated return locations. I'm aware it's a bit sui generis, but I'd expect other LAs to have at least an aspiration to the same policy?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br /></div><div>Only for eScooters. The eBikes are still left wherever people end their journeys, though the rental companies have introduced a "snap a photo of your parking" to determine if people are parking them antisocially!</div><div> </div></div></div>
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