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<p>I agree with your top point that "designated" applies to modes
not ways. <br>
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<p>I hadn't noticed that the designation was missing when I split
the way from the horribly muddy bridleway that continues NE from
the end of the drive - yes it is a public bridleway. Anyway I'm
still logged in so I could fix that easily. One thing I don't
understand is why bicycles are "yes" rather than "designated" on a
bridleway, when the access is set out legally - and for that
matter whether it's different for a (restricted) byway.</p>
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<p>Also , that "further guidance" link reminded me of another edit I
was planning to make (many miles away, barrier=debris where
someone has cut trees down across a bridleway), so thanks</p>
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<p>C<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/10/2021 10:49, nathan case wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“Access=designated”
should not be used as a tag itself, the designated value is
instead used when the route is specifically intended for a
particular transport mode.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It
looks like that bridleway is actually a public bridleway.
Public bridleways are legally designated for the use of
horse riders and pedestrians, cyclists are also permitted so
I would tag horse=designated, foot=designated, and
bicycle=yes (unless otherwise signed as prohibited). Also
include designation=public_bridleway and prow_ref=* (if that
is available).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access_provisions_in_the_United_Kingdom#Public_bridleways"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access_provisions_in_the_United_Kingdom#Public_bridleways</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Adesignation%3Dpublic_bridleway"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Adesignation%3Dpublic_bridleway</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In
cases where public rights of way are shared with “other”
ways, for example your public bridleway and a private
driveway, map the “highest” classification way and add the
appropriate access tags for each transport mode
individually.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Further_guidance_on_tagging_Public_Rights_of_Way_in_the_United_Kingdom#PRoW_runs_along_the_same_route_as_another_highway"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Further_guidance_on_tagging_Public_Rights_of_Way_in_the_United_Kingdom#PRoW_runs_along_the_same_route_as_another_highway</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In
terms of confusion, the iD editor does have the little
“info” buttons next to inputted values. Most of the ones
relating to access tagging (e.g. foot=designated) do now
have descriptions associated with them. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hope
the above is helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> testtest</o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Chris Hodges <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chris@c-hodges.co.uk"><chris@c-hodges.co.uk></a>
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<b>Sent:</b> 04 October 2021 09:42<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] "designated" and
"permissive" confuse new people<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>As someone who may have made this mistake in the past, I
reckon along with requesting confirmation, we should have a
"more info" link (not "Wiki" IMO though that's where it should
point) as close as possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I often find myself on bridleways (and less often footpaths)
that are also private road, farm building access, or shared
driveways. The distinction between "access=destination" and
"foot,horses,bicycles=yes, motor_vehicles=destination" is
perhaps a little subtle. Here's one that I got wrong in a
different way (fixed now) by putting "motor_vehicles=no" when
it's the way to drive up to the houses ("private" vs.
"destination" is another question):
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/884300724"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/884300724</a>
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<p>The actual "designated" vs. "permissive" shouldn't be too
hard for anyone familiar with "permissive" on OS maps.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Chris<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This sounds like a good idea: "request
confirmation for commonly misunderstood options"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 at 19:06, David
Woolley <<a href="mailto:forums@david-woolley.me.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true">forums@david-woolley.me.uk</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 02/10/2021 18:53, David Woolley
wrote:<br>
> I guess tools could indicate country specific
assumptions, when <br>
> providing arrays of check boxes, and give detailed
explanations <br>
> (although simply greying out is probably wrong, as
there may be cases to <br>
> override assumptions - maybe greyed with and
without a check mark?), and <br>
> request confirmation for commonly misunderstood
options,<br>
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Oops, I mis-edited the above when composing, and the
parentheses are in <br>
a confusion place. It was supposed to say:<br>
<br>
I guess tools could indicate country specific
assumptions, when <br>
providing arrays of check boxes, (although simply
greying out is <br>
probably wrong, as there may be cases to override
assumptions - maybe <br>
greyed with and without a check mark?) and give detailed
explanations, <br>
and request confirmation for commonly misunderstood
options<br>
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