<div dir="ltr"><div>This discussion prompts me to remark that similar options may exist for pedestrians (although may not be obvious on the ground). <br></div><div><br></div><div>My father cannot now really do steps unless they have a handrail. On the way to the pharmacy yesterday our route took us over 2 very short flights of steps (2-4 steps), but he was happy to circumvent the steps by walking on the adjacent grass which is not steeply sloped. I think there would be advantages being able to indicate this, because it is the difference between a route being practical or not.</div><div><br></div><div>Jerry<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 11:52, Gareth L <<a href="mailto:o.i@live.co.uk">o.i@live.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, this!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The separate way could be tagged with incline/surface/ details and highway=footway/path + informal=yes
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<b>Sent: </b>17 December 2021 10:26<br>
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<p>I wonder if Gareth has in mind drawing a parallel way for the informal ramp. I've occasionally used this in Sweden. Not the most elegant solution but does allow things like surface, mtb:scale (which I use for physical bicycle accessibility as distinct from
legal), wheelchair (lack of) accessibility and anything else that you can come up with for assisting routing. Topologically "correct" and can track any deviations of the ramp from the steps. Your suggestions are still valid and I'll use them. /Mike</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, 17 Dec 2021, 08:02 Gareth L, <<a href="mailto:o.i@live.co.uk" target="_blank">o.i@live.co.uk</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Would one of the incline tags serve well here? I’ve certainly seen ramps up to bridges which could be considered too steep for many wheelchairs but ok for a bike or pram.<br>
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> Several times Street Complete has asked me about any usable ramp by steps in parks/woodland where there is nothing suitable for a wheelchair but the earth/grass slope would be very handy for a bike, and a pushchair at a stretch. That doesn't seem to fit any
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