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<p>Agree with Mark here, I think we need enough information to
personally travel somewhere and find the house (etc) we want. <br>
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<p>Somewhere I've recently tried to map - <br>
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<div class="address-detail col-md-7">
<div class="line1">2 Mill Row</div>
<div class="line2">Station Road</div>
<div class="line3">Croston</div>
<div class="city">Leyland</div>
<div class="postalcode">PR26 9HZ</div>
</div>
<p>That is from Royal Mail, but the village of Croston is in Chorley
(addr:city) Borough Council (and always has been), Leyland is in
South Ribble Borough Council - so that is a construct for Royal
Mail; it follows that a more complex database query is required to
identify the administrative town.</p>
<p>2 Mill Row - not sure</p>
<p>Station Road - addr:street</p>
<p>Croston - addr:place but that is illegal - so addr:?? it is a
village and Civil Parish.</p>
<p>Leyland - addr:city but should really be addr:post_town</p>
<p>PR26 9HZ - I know that one - addr:postcode<br>
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<p>So I would be happy for a distinction between admin and postal
address towns.</p>
<p>Digression - Using the Royal Mail address finder gave me that
address - however RM offer a "See this address on a map" feature
which offers an OSM rendering with a centroid location between
50-400 metres North of the true location and in a different
street. (DUH!)</p>
<p>There is even a distinction in law of addresses being capable of
personal delivery - at least for HM Land Registry.<br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/directions-under-the-land-registration-act-2002/direction-1-addresses-for-hm-land-registry-for-the-receipt-of-applications-and-correspondence">https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/directions-under-the-land-registration-act-2002/direction-1-addresses-for-hm-land-registry-for-the-receipt-of-applications-and-correspondence</a></p>
<p>Oh the arcane journey of highways and byways .....</p>
<p>Tony Shield<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/12/2021 18:59, Mark Goodge wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:fb4718bb-81e2-7495-3896-76823b5a05ab@good-stuff.co.uk">
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On 22/12/2021 18:41, Simon Poole wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
Am 22.12.2021 um 15:57 schrieb Mark Goodge:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">...
<br>
place=city doesn't belong in the tags for a specific node or
way (eg, a house or other building, though). That's a tag
applied to the settlement itself.
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
After I've already pointed out multiple times that the "city" in
addr:city has nothing to do with the "city" in place=city </blockquote>
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That's my point, though. Using the same term to mean completely
different things in different contexts is bad design.
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">the addr Tags are part of a hierarchical
tagging scheme, assigning them semantics outside of their place
in the hierarchy and their definition in the wiki is nonsense (I
suspect that historically the tag names were derived from your
typical preprinted address label but that just doesn't matter).
If it makes you feel more comfortable I'll start a proposal to
rename addr:city to
addr:this_is_whatever_you_locally_use_for_postal_town, but that
would be silly because it wouldn't change the semantics.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
What I'd like to do is use addr:town and addr:city for geographic
addresses in towns and cities, and supplement (not replace) them
with addr:post_town for postal addresses where the post town is
different to the name of the actual town or city.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">As Tom has pointed out there are
differences between postal addresses and informal addresses that
we don't really capture well in OSM if you don't have a full
complement of administrative boundaries and potential place
areas for non-admin localities, but at least addr:housenumber /
addr:housename and addr:street / addr:place are useful to gather
in any case. It would however be a good idea to be clear on
-what- the UK community is intending to collect.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I do think we need to be clear on whether we are trying to capture
postal addresses, or descriptive (geographic) addresses. In a lot
of cases those will be the same, but not always. And it's not
clear in the wiki whether the addr tag is intended to be used for
postal or descriptive addresses.
<br>
<br>
Mark
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