<div dir="auto"><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I believe substreet is currently being proposed as any level of addressing below (sub) the street but above the housename/number. So it would fit in this case?</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Although all the retail/industrial estates that come to mind for me seem like they'd qualify as equivalent to suburbs in their own right.</span><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:12.8px">P.S. sorry for the double email, forgot to reply all rather than reply.</span></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, 19:18 Neil Matthews, <<a href="mailto:ndmatthews@ndmatthews.plus.com">ndmatthews@ndmatthews.plus.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Rob,<br>
I guess the important issue would be if there is both an
addr:place and an addr:suburb.<br>
<br>
This is my local overpass query for place/suburb combinations:
<a href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1f2L" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1f2L</a><br>
</p>
What are you recommending for industrial estate names / retail parks
within a suburb? They seem to be the most obvious conflicts to me --
they have addr:suburb and addr:street -- but they are set back --
addr:substreet seems a bit of a stretch, but maybe it fits?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Neil<br>
<br>
<div>On 13/01/2022 23:51, Rob Nickerson
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi all,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>As we learnt the other week, the addr:place tag has often
been incorrectly used here in the UK. The tag addr:place is
meant to be used when the address does <u>not</u> reference
a street (tagged with addr:street) at all. This is
frequently seen in small villages in continental Europe
which often don't have any street names at all.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In the UK most cases of addr:place and addr:street being
used together are incorrect and are cases where addr:suburb
should have been used instead of addr:place. You can browse
the <a rel="nofollow noreferrer" href="https://nominatim.org/qa/#map=8.06/53.26/-0.64&layer=addr_place_and_street" target="_blank">Nominatim QA</a> to find examples
and help clean these up. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To help with this clean up effort I have tested an
approach in JOSM that some might consider as captured by the
Automated Edits code of conduct. I therefore wanted to share
this process before proceeding.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Step 1:</div>
<div>Identify a potentially incorrect use of the addr:place
tag. To do this I am looking at the list of values used on
TagInfo GB and checking if any of these are villages/towns.
If they are then there is a high chance that the addr:place
tag is incorrect.</div>
<div><a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/addr%3Aplace#values" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/addr%3Aplace#values</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Step 2:</div>
<div>Open the data in JOSM using an overpass query. An example
query I am using to download the data is:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>[out:xml][timeout:90];<br>
{{geocodeArea:England}}->.searchArea;<br>
(<br>
nwr["addr:place"="Eccleston"](area.searchArea);<br>
);<br>
(._;>;);<br>
out meta;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Step 3:</div>
<div>Inspect the data in JOSM paying particular attention to
other addr:* tags. To do this I start by doing a Ctrl+F and
search for e.g. "addr:place"="Eccleston". This selects all
the features with this tag. I can then see the full range of
addr:* tags used on these features. High use of addr:street
reiterates the incorrect use of addr:place. I can also see
if the addr:suburb tag has been used on any features ->
if it has then I go investigate this separately. I also
investigate uses of all other addr tags except
housenumber/name, unit, flats and street.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Step 4<br>
</div>
<div>Change addr:place to add:suburb. I get to this stage
quicker if step 3 does not identify any conflicting addr:*
tags (e.g. if the only other addr tags are housenumber/name
and street). The more addr:* tags there are the more I look
into individual OSM features before making this change.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As always, if in doubt then I don't proceed.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>How do you feel about this sort of approach? With proper
time spent carefully looking at the other addr tags that
have been used, then I believe it is a low risk edit.<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>P.S. Feel free to check out the results of a couple trials
I made. e.g. <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116122672#map=14/53.6500/-2.7281" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116122672#map=14/53.6500/-2.7281</a>
I'll pause on making more as I realise I should get the
discussion going first.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you,<br>
</div>
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