<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>There has not really been any comments on the process steps in JOSM so I don't know if I should proceed or not. I guess I will wait a bit longer as it's only been a day so far.<br></div><div><br></div><div>In the meantime, I was thinking about what other approaches we could use to help with this clean up effort. I realised that there is the OS Open Names data set which includes a list of populated places (i.e. settlements). If these values match an addr:place tag then it is a good indication that the addr:place tag is wrong and should be addr:suburb or addr:city instead.<div><br></div><div>I have therefore made a spreadsheet of all the addr:place tag values (downloaded from TagInfo GB) that match an OS Open Names "populatedPlace" value.</div><div><br></div><div>I've marked a few rows as fixed in the spreadsheet based on the edits I made to test the JOSM approach. The spreadsheet is open access so feel free to use this tracker. It is sorted by highest to lowest use of the addr:place tag.<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BGeIyhlL-UODGOVJK543Iy699guc3C6Z0udFE57tYu0/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BGeIyhlL-UODGOVJK543Iy699guc3C6Z0udFE57tYu0/edit?usp=sharing</a></div></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><b>Rob</b></span><br></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 23:51, Rob Nickerson <<a href="mailto:rob.j.nickerson@gmail.com">rob.j.nickerson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>As we learnt the other week, the
addr:place tag has often been incorrectly used here in the UK. The tag
addr:place is meant to be used when the address does <u>not</u>
reference a street (tagged with addr:street) at all. This is frequently
seen in small villages in continental Europe which often don't have any
street names at all.</div><div><br></div><div>In the UK most cases of addr:place and addr:street being used together
are incorrect and are cases where addr:suburb should have been used
instead of addr:place. You can browse the <a rel="nofollow" href="https://nominatim.org/qa/#map=8.06/53.26/-0.64&layer=addr_place_and_street" target="_blank">Nominatim QA</a> to find examples and help clean these up. </div><div><br></div><div>To help with this clean up effort I have tested an approach in JOSM that some might consider as captured by the Automated Edits code of conduct. I therefore wanted to share this process before proceeding.</div><div><br></div><div>Step 1:</div><div>Identify a potentially incorrect use of the addr:place tag. To do this I am looking at the list of values used on TagInfo GB and checking if any of these are villages/towns. If they are then there is a high chance that the addr:place tag is incorrect.</div><div><a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/addr%3Aplace#values" target="_blank">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/addr%3Aplace#values</a></div><div><br></div><div>Step 2:</div><div>Open the data in JOSM using an overpass query. An example query I am using to download the data is:</div><div><br></div><div>[out:xml][timeout:90];<br>{{geocodeArea:England}}->.searchArea;<br>(<br> nwr["addr:place"="Eccleston"](area.searchArea);<br>);<br>(._;>;);<br>out meta;</div><div><br></div><div>Step 3:</div><div>Inspect the data in JOSM paying particular attention to other addr:* tags. To do this I start by doing a Ctrl+F and search for e.g. "addr:place"="Eccleston". This selects all the features with this tag. I can then see the full range of addr:* tags used on these features. High use of addr:street reiterates the incorrect use of addr:place. I can also see if the addr:suburb tag has been used on any features -> if it has then I go investigate this separately. I also investigate uses of all other addr tags except housenumber/name, unit, flats and street.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Step 4<br></div><div>Change addr:place to add:suburb. I get to this stage quicker if step 3 does not identify any conflicting addr:* tags (e.g. if the only other addr tags are housenumber/name and street). The more addr:* tags there are the more I look into individual OSM features before making this change.</div><div><br></div><div>As always, if in doubt then I don't proceed.</div><div><br></div><div>How do you feel about this sort of approach? With proper time spent carefully looking at the other addr tags that have been used, then I believe it is a low risk edit.<br></div></div><div><br></div><div>P.S. Feel free to check out the results of a couple trials I made. e.g. <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116122672#map=14/53.6500/-2.7281" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116122672#map=14/53.6500/-2.7281</a> I'll pause on making more as I realise I should get the discussion going first.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thank you,<br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><b>Rob</b></span><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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