<div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 12 Feb 2022, 20:38 Colin Smale, <<a href="mailto:colin.smale@xs4all.nl">colin.smale@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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On 02/12/2022 8:29 PM Tom Crocker <<a href="mailto:tomcrockermail@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">tomcrockermail@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2022, 17:34 Paul Berry, <<a href="mailto:pmberry2007@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pmberry2007@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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I'm not hung up on Abbots Walk being a building rather than a street. We're fitting addressing to the best available tags, not the other way around.
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For what it's worth, I'm inclined to agree that having only one tag would be ideal. The reason I'd go with addr:place is various tools like nominatim won't use the address if addr:street doesn't match a highway. So we'll tag it but it won't show up in search results, which seems a bit self-defeating.
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This sounds like "tagging for the renderer"...</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hi Colin</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm sure someone of your great experience is aware that tagging something in a way that it can be used by geocoders is not "tagging for the renderer" if the tags are not incorrect. Given we are talking about addresses, and therefore little more than data fields with a fairly abstract relation to reality, what is correct really depends on what the wiki says and how it's interpreted. I would consider `addr:housename=4 Bretton Place` to be tagging for the renderer. I could borrow a phrase from Andy Townsend in relation to access tagging and say `addr:street=Bretton Place` was tagging against the renderer. And, for most of its existence, the wiki page for addr:street has said "A way with highway=* and the corresponding name should be found nearby". </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div> And addr:place in particular was rather frowned upon in the discussion in December 2020...</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Was it? I read the whole thread (I think) and could only find you saying your humble opinion was that a building was not a place. Meanwhile others suggested its use. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Place has a very broad range of meanings in the English language such as</div><div dir="auto">"...a short row of houses which originally stood by themselves or on a suburban road; any group of houses not properly classifiable as a street."</div><div dir="auto">"...a physical locality, a locale; a spot, a location."</div><div dir="auto">"A dwelling, a house; a person's home; (formerly) spec. a mansion, a country house with its surroundings, the principal residence on an estate. Also: a farm or farmstead." <a href="https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/144864">https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/144864</a></div><div dir="auto">As in the phrase "Do you want to come over to our place?".</div><div dir="auto">It's only when we get to usage 10 that we find "a city, a town, a village."</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Meanwhile the wiki for addr:place for a long time said </div><div dir="auto">"... building, which have number, which belongs to all village or some another polygonal object."</div><div dir="auto">and makes it clear the European villages are an example.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So using it for a group of houses doesn't seem obviously incorrect.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Tom</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">PS. I completely agree with Mark that the wiki has not made any of this easy, so if any resolution is found it would be great for us to make things much easier to follow for future mappers.</div></div>