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Hi<br>
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Have you contacted Peter to inform him you're posting this query
here? <br>
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I believe your edits are incorrect & you're misinterpreting road
signs. They're often placed ahead the location they're referring to
give road users time to interpret the sign & adjust their
behavior appropriately. <br>
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To give another example, this is just around the corner from the
bridge.<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3844815,-2.6260151,3a,75y,153.54h,81.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swRoY3bhnG1EX399FmTvo9w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192">https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3844815,-2.6260151,3a,75y,153.54h,81.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swRoY3bhnG1EX399FmTvo9w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192</a><br>
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Note the speed limit sign doesn't mean you can increase speed from
20 to 30mph as soon as you pass the sign & approach the
junction. It means the road you're about to turn onto has a limit of
30mph.<br>
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DaveF.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/02/2022 00:59, Sam Heppenstall
via Talk-GB wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">Hi,<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">I've never
posted to a mailing list before but I've been advised by
people on the OSM Discord to take this issue here. Apologies
if I'm missing any etiquette or procedure sending this.<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">For context
I've been having what I guess would be considered 'edit wars'
with a mapper called Pete Owens, particularly over mapping
bicycle infrastructure, with issues such as separate
highway=cycleway vs on-road cycleway=track. This has been
going on for a number of months, and I've only been using OSM
since May 2021. Naturally since he's been using it since 2009,
he looks like the more senior and experienced mapper, but hear
me out.<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">The issue in
question is of him deleting "stubs" - bits of cycleway that
lead to nowhere or turn into regular pavement. I'm of the mind
that you should draw the cycleway up to the legal boundary of
where you can ride, where is a painted symbol or cycleway sign
(verifiable on the ground). He thinks this is "silly" and
continues to change such segments to pavements, with
bicycle=no tagged (as he has added to almost every pavement I
have mapped in general - I'm aware pavement mapping can be
controversial). I'm not sure if he's justifying this based on
routability or aesthetics or 'simplifying' a la TomJeffs.<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">An obvious
example of such a changeset (and what tipped me towards
sending this) is <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117413424"
rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117413424</a>,
superseding <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117374335"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117374335</a> where
he word-vomits on my changeset.<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">Obviously
you're hearing this from me and as someone directly involved,
I am biased. Apparently the mailing list is the place to go to
obtain consensus on such issues. If there's no point having
these 'stubs' and I'm just being 'silly', better that than
continue another thread of this mad, headache duopoly of
cycleway mapping in Warrington.<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">At the end of
the day, I'm looking for a clear outcome as to who is in the
wrong and how to proceed mapping cycleways. Whether to draw
them up to legal boundaries - or whether to draw the more
simplistic, intended route you'd practically cycle (assuming
you're following the law on pavement cycling, which isn't
necessarily a given). Any and all input is appreciated.<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">Cheers,<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">Falsernet</div>
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