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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/02/2022 00:59, Sam Heppenstall
via Talk-GB wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">An obvious
example of such a changeset (and what tipped me towards
sending this) is <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117413424"
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moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117413424</a>,
superseding <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117374335"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117374335</a> where
he word-vomits on my changeset.<br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=117413424">https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=117413424</a> shows the
change here.</p>
<p>The $64,000 question is - where are the signs? Is there anything
that suggests that it is legal to cycle along
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1011886862">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1011886862</a> from the Sankey
Valley Greenway to the edge of the canal, but no further? The
aerial imagery doesn't suggest any obvious route for bicycles
along this bit of pavement, but none of the imagery sources look
great.</p>
<p>This is a similar discussion to the one on
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116891119">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116891119</a> where both the
protagonists where asked for evidence to back up their side of the
story at a different junction.</p>
<p>The full story of the discussions at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=111135">https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=111135</a>
and
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=13341565">https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=13341565</a>
suggests you are both some way from a meeting of minds...<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">Obviously
you're hearing this from me and as someone directly involved,
I am biased. Apparently the mailing list is the place to go to
obtain consensus on such issues. If there's no point having
these 'stubs' and I'm just being 'silly', better that than
continue another thread of this mad, headache duopoly of
cycleway mapping in Warrington.<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">At the end of
the day, I'm looking for a clear outcome as to who is in the
wrong and how to proceed mapping cycleways. Whether to draw
them up to legal boundaries - or whether to draw the more
simplistic, intended route you'd practically cycle (assuming
you're following the law on pavement cycling, which isn't
necessarily a given). Any and all input is appreciated.<br>
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<p>To be clear - _legal_ is what matters. You, or a less law-abiding
cyclist than you, might "practically cycle" in places where it
isn't legal, but that doesn't make those places cycleways. That's
why knowing what the signage actually is is important.</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
<p>Andy (also dealing with this dispute with a Data Working Group
hat on)</p>
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