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    <p>Note that there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between what GB
      mappers would expect of a "shoulder" - you can definitely get a
      typical 4-wheeled vehicle completely off the road -  and a less
      rigorous definition elsewhere in the world - yes, there is some
      road between a white painted line and the verge but we don't
      guarentee how much and it may not be asphalted.</p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shoulder">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shoulder</a></p>
    <p>The wiki entry, IMHO, is mostly written for the GB usage but not
      entirely, for example the sentence " Furthermore, cyclists and
      hikers may find it useful to know which rural main roads have
      neither a sidepath nor a shoulder so that they can avoid it."  In
      Sweden, roads can have have a variable width shoulder which is
      very nice to know about as a cyclist but may reduce to a metre (or
      less!) with a crash barrier preventing access to the verge.</p>
    <p>Andrew Harvey of Australia is probably thinking the same when he
      commented 'I  think giving users an option answer "a narrow
      shoulders exists, that bicycles can use but a car can't fit" would
      also help reduce the mis-tagging.'</p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3962">https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3962</a></p>
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    <p>Mike<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2022-04-14 05:11, 10992 via Talk-GB
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            dir="auto">Does this road have a shoulder?</span><br>
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            dir="auto">A shoulder is a clearly demarcated emergency
            stopping lane that allows vehicles to stop safely completely
            beside the traffic lane, although not always (fully) on
            paved surface.</span><br>
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        <div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton"> That text could
          definitely do with improving, I think ("completely beside"?,
          "on <b>a</b> paved surface").</div>
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        <div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton">See the issue at
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            href="https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3962"
            moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3962</a>.<br>
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        <div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton">10992<br>
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        On Wednesday, April 13th, 2022 at 19:37, Tom Crocker
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tomcrockermail@gmail.com"><tomcrockermail@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="auto">It asks:
            <div dir="auto">Does this road have a shoulder?</div>
            <div dir="auto">A shoulder is a clearly demarcated emergency
              stopping lane that allows vehicles to stop safely
              completely beside the traffic lane, although not always
              (fully) on paved surface.</div>
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            <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, 13 Apr 2022, 19:22
              Philip Barnes, <<a href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk"
                rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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              solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Hi Chris<br>
              The shoulder quest is not available in my version of
              Streetcomplete so I cannot see what information it is
              being provided and what guidance is being given. F-Droid
              does lag sometimes.<br>
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              Phil (trigpoint)<br>
              <br>
              On Wednesday, 13 April 2022, Chris Andrew wrote:<br>
              > Hi, Phil.<br>
              > <br>
              > I use StreetComplete a lot, for 'micro editing' (my
              words). I've steered<br>
              > clear of the 'Shoulder' quest, for this very reason.
              I hadn't though about<br>
              > it enough, but a request probably needs registering
              with Tobias<br>
              > (developer), to see whether this can be clarified.<br>
              > <br>
              > Hope this helps.<br>
              > <br>
              > Chris<br>
              > chris_debian<br>
              > <br>
              > <br>
              > <br>
              > On Wed, 13 Apr 2022, 18:07 Philip Barnes, <<a
                rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank"
                href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>>
              wrote:<br>
              > <br>
              > > A streetcomplete mapper has been adding
              shoulders to various Trunk<br>
              > > 70mph expressways.<br>
              > ><br>
              > > I have always considered a shoulder to be wide
              enough for a car to get<br>
              > > off the road and my views are reflected in the
              wikipage.<br>
              > ><br>
              > > One of the sections they have tagged is<br>
              > > <a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow
                noopener"
                href="https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=401380041319740"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=401380041319740</a><br>
              > ><br>
              > > Where I would consider the with to be well less
              than a metre wide.<br>
              > ><br>
              > > Maybe if a width was added it may be ok, but
              what do others think?<br>
              > ><br>
              > > Phil (trigpoint)<br>
              > ><br>
              > ><br>
              > ><br>
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