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<p>Note that there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between what GB
mappers would expect of a "shoulder" - you can definitely get a
typical 4-wheeled vehicle completely off the road - and a less
rigorous definition elsewhere in the world - yes, there is some
road between a white painted line and the verge but we don't
guarentee how much and it may not be asphalted.</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shoulder">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shoulder</a></p>
<p>The wiki entry, IMHO, is mostly written for the GB usage but not
entirely, for example the sentence " Furthermore, cyclists and
hikers may find it useful to know which rural main roads have
neither a sidepath nor a shoulder so that they can avoid it." In
Sweden, roads can have have a variable width shoulder which is
very nice to know about as a cyclist but may reduce to a metre (or
less!) with a crash barrier preventing access to the verge.</p>
<p>Andrew Harvey of Australia is probably thinking the same when he
commented 'I think giving users an option answer "a narrow
shoulders exists, that bicycles can use but a car can't fit" would
also help reduce the mis-tagging.'</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3962">https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3962</a></p>
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<p>Mike<br>
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dir="auto">A shoulder is a clearly demarcated emergency
stopping lane that allows vehicles to stop safely completely
beside the traffic lane, although not always (fully) on
paved surface.</span><br>
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definitely do with improving, I think ("completely beside"?,
"on <b>a</b> paved surface").</div>
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href="https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3962"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3962</a>.<br>
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On Wednesday, April 13th, 2022 at 19:37, Tom Crocker
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tomcrockermail@gmail.com"><tomcrockermail@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Does this road have a shoulder?</div>
<div dir="auto">A shoulder is a clearly demarcated emergency
stopping lane that allows vehicles to stop safely
completely beside the traffic lane, although not always
(fully) on paved surface.</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, 13 Apr 2022, 19:22
Philip Barnes, <<a href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk"
rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>>
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solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Hi Chris<br>
The shoulder quest is not available in my version of
Streetcomplete so I cannot see what information it is
being provided and what guidance is being given. F-Droid
does lag sometimes.<br>
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Phil (trigpoint)<br>
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On Wednesday, 13 April 2022, Chris Andrew wrote:<br>
> Hi, Phil.<br>
> <br>
> I use StreetComplete a lot, for 'micro editing' (my
words). I've steered<br>
> clear of the 'Shoulder' quest, for this very reason.
I hadn't though about<br>
> it enough, but a request probably needs registering
with Tobias<br>
> (developer), to see whether this can be clarified.<br>
> <br>
> Hope this helps.<br>
> <br>
> Chris<br>
> chris_debian<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022, 18:07 Philip Barnes, <<a
rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank"
href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > A streetcomplete mapper has been adding
shoulders to various Trunk<br>
> > 70mph expressways.<br>
> ><br>
> > I have always considered a shoulder to be wide
enough for a car to get<br>
> > off the road and my views are reflected in the
wikipage.<br>
> ><br>
> > One of the sections they have tagged is<br>
> > <a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow
noopener"
href="https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=401380041319740"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=401380041319740</a><br>
> ><br>
> > Where I would consider the with to be well less
than a metre wide.<br>
> ><br>
> > Maybe if a width was added it may be ok, but
what do others think?<br>
> ><br>
> > Phil (trigpoint)<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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