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<p>Quite possibly, though the generic "path" never seems wrong, only
less useful than a more specific tag.</p>
<p>But it gets more complicated. I went by the signs on the ground
(obviously a suitable data source), but I've done some more
digging, and RoWmaps doesn't have it as a public footpath
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.rowmaps.com/showmap.php?place=Hooton%20Levitt&map=BingOS&lat=53.4171&lon=1.21873&lonew=W">https://www.rowmaps.com/showmap.php?place=Hooton%20Levitt&map=BingOS&lat=53.4171&lon=1.21873&lonew=W</a></p>
<p>The OS map isn't a permissible source of course, but is really
unhelpful anyway: at 50k it's a road, but at 25k it's a road,
unfenced on one side, and with an orange dot signifying an
off-road bike route. There's a 2nd dot on a connected track at the
top/south end - I looked briefly for signs at the top but didn't
have time to survey more thoroughly being only 43km into a 300km
day of cycling.</p>
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<p>I guess something has changed recently and not all data has been
updated<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/04/2022 14:16, Tony Shield wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Chris</p>
<p>Could highway=footway be better than highway=path in this
instance</p>
<p>Tony<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/04/2022 13:52, Chris Hodges
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<p>I agree completely, and Heavy Metal Handcyclist was one of
the accessibility advocates I was thinking of, along with
riders whose bikes give them mobility while being harder to
recognise as mobility aids (e.g. <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://twitter.com/tricyclemayor"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/tricyclemayor</a>
). Then there's the gentleman who parked his e-bike outside
Lidl, unfolded his walking stick, and went off to do his
shopping as I was loading my bike - he wouldn't be doing much
pushing.</p>
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</p>
<p>I'm an able-bodied bike tourist so my difficulties are mere
irritations compared to the trouble some people have (pretty
big irritations when I have to lift it over a gate because the
gap it's supposed to be pushed through is too tiny and it
weighs 40kg laden - but irritations nonetheless)<br>
</p>
<p>BTW I'm wary of deleting anything myself, let alone deleting
to replace with another way of recording.</p>
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<p>I had routing issues on Sunday where Komoot had used OSM data
to route us up something labelled "public footpath" and not
loking much like it was designed to be ridden (<a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/119859473"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/119859473</a>
is my attempt to fix). I think<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/04/2022 13:00, Jon Pennycook
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<div dir="auto">Hello Chris.
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<div dir="auto">This is one reason why I disagree with
people who delete cycleways and replace with a generic
cycleway=track on the road. The data on dropped kerbs,
inaccessible barriers, and dismount sections are lost. The
late Heavy Metal Handcyclist <a
href="https://twitter.com/CrippledCyclist"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://twitter.com/CrippledCyclist</a>
used to post on Twitter on how they would get councils to
remove such barriers (their cycle was their mobility
aid). </div>
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<div dir="auto">From my point of view, having my pannier
bags full of shopping or stuff for my holiday means I
can't just dismount and push my bike over a raised kerb,
and getting round narrow gaps in barriers is impossible.
Similarly, people tagging non-cyclable ways as bicycle=yes
makes journey planning problematic.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Jon</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 19 Apr 2022, 12:51
Chris Hodges, <<a href="mailto:chris@c-hodges.co.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">chris@c-hodges.co.uk</a>>
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<p>The editor in this case is clearly wrong, and this is
why we have the "dismount" tag, which renderers are
free to use/stuff up as they see fit.</p>
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</p>
<p>But the main problem here isn't really the user.
It's the planners who designate cycle routes that
can't be cycled. Not all cyclists can dismount and
push. Reading up on accessible cycling recently has
been eye-opening<br>
</p>
<div>On 19/04/2022 11:12, Jon Pennycook via Talk-GB
wrote:<br>
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<div>> But I have noticed that a small number of
people on OSM don't seem to like cycle infra (or
maybe they don't understand it).</div>
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<div dir="auto">And some people like to put
bicycle=yes on things that are convenient for them
to cycle on, even when they are clearly private or
have Cyclists Dismount signs. </div>
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<div dir="auto">For example, footways with Cyclists
Dismount signs, formerly tagged bicycle=dismount,
and members of two LCNs and an NCN:-</div>
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<div dir="auto">> <span>Hi the signs are present,
but it is a route for cyclists, by customising
the drop down you exclude the section from 3rd
party systems that use the data. Hence changed
to Yes for cycles, as it is regardless of
whether ridden or pushed.</span><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 18 Apr
2022, 07:28 Jon Pennycook, <<a
href="mailto:jpennycook@bcs.org.uk"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jpennycook@bcs.org.uk</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Morning.
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<div>I think those are two different people
- Nathan_A_RF now tends to specialise in
edits around Southampton (I think they
used some controversial sources for a
wider area until last Autumn, according to
their Block page), and AR_Mapper
specialises in Bracknell and New York.</div>
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<div>But I have noticed that a small number
of people on OSM don't seem to like cycle
infra (or maybe they don't understand it).</div>
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<div>Jon</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 18
Apr 2022 at 05:41, Robert Skedgell <<a
href="mailto:rob@hubris.org.uk"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The
same user added an entirely spurious
bicycle=no to a bus gate in <br>
Woodham Ferrers. This made cycle routers
take the scenic route and <br>
turned 300m of shared footway along
Ferrers Road into a dead end. There <br>
was no source for the "corrections" in
this edit. How odd that cycle <br>
infra seems to be the common feature in
their problematic edits...<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/93778124"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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On 17/04/2022 18:51, Jon Pennycook via
Talk-GB wrote:<br>
> Thanks Phil - that's very helpful.<br>
> <br>
> I don't understand what caused them
to do this. It turns out they are <br>
> not new - they just have a low edit
count and that I've spoken to them <br>
> before about cycleways in Bracknell:-<br>
> <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/92601276"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/92601276</a>
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> <<a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/92601276"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/92601276</a>><br>
> <br>
> Jon<br>
> <br>
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 at 18:47, Philip
Barnes <<a
href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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> <mailto:<a
href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> I believe I have reverted<br>
> it, <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/119825773"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/119825773</a><br>
> <<a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/119825773"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/119825773</a>><br>
> <br>
> Phil (trigpoint)<br>
> <br>
> On Sun, 2022-04-17 at 18:10
+0100, Jon Pennycook via Talk-GB wrote:<br>
> > Hello.<br>
> ><br>
> > A relatively new mapper
just deleted a whole load of cycleways in<br>
> > Bracknell that were
correctly mapped in<br>
> > <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/119816211"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/119816211</a><br>
> <<a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/119816211"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/119816211</a>><br>
> > I wasn't able to use <a
href="http://revert.osmz.ru/"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://revert.osmz.ru/</a><br>
> <<a
href="http://revert.osmz.ru/"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://revert.osmz.ru/</a>>
to revert the change:-<br>
> > Status: too big<br>
> > Error: Would not revert 644
changes<br>
> ><br>
> > Could someone assist with
the reversion, please? Or should I
contact<br>
> > the DWG for assistance?<br>
> ><br>
> > Jon Pennycook<br>
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