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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I noticed someone raised a note about a
similar problem further along the road at Abbeyhill Colonies, so I
opened an issue on Nominatim's github:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/osm-search/Nominatim/issues/2051">https://github.com/osm-search/Nominatim/issues/2051</a> Sarah says the
OSM tagging is wrong a name:left/right shouldn't be used and
addr:place should be used instead.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">As for parentstreet, having tried to
follow all the addressing discussions a few months ago I'm still
not sure of its definition or where it should be used.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">People seemed to be suggesting it
should be used for a street coming off another street, but surely
you just use the actual street name instead of adding another one?
(otherwise where do you stop!) I see it has been used here off
Easter Road -
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9423069429/history">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9423069429/history</a> - but is it
really necessary to have a parentstreet here?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/05/2022 18:59, Donald Noble
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<div dir="ltr">Peter, Ken,
<div>Thanks for the feedback. I completely agree with using
street/parentstreet for the addresses, and have tried to
do this where appropriate following the recent discussions on
talk-gb. I will also update the addresses on Leopold Place to
include parentstreet=London Road when I make any changes
following this discussion.
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<div>However the question I have is more how should we tag the
road? I would say it is unambiguously called London Road and
happens to have a set of buildings on one side called
Leopold Place. I think the original tagging of name=London
Road, name:left=Leopold Place, is correct. But is there a
good way to show/represent on the map more clearly that
there is a set of buildings called Leopold Place?</div>
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<div>Cheers, Donald<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 7 May 2022 at 18:35,
Peter Neale <<a href="mailto:nealepb@yahoo.co.uk"
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<div dir="ltr">A quick scan of a street imagery app
(that I won't name) shows a name board for a
restaurant. The website of that restaurant shows it
address as "20 Leopold Place, Edinburgh..."</div>
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<div dir="ltr">So, should it be "addr:street=Leopold
Place"; "addr:parentstreet=London Road"?</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div dir="ltr">Peter</div>
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<div> On Saturday, 7 May 2022, 17:51:33 BST, Donald
Noble <<a href="mailto:drnoble@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks for the opinion Robert, good
to hear your thoughts. The question is what would
you tag? There is not a single outline, but rather
9 separate buildings that together make up Leopold
Place, plus there are 18 address nodes too.
Combining these into a single item would lose
detail, and the wiki page on buildings explicitly
suggests mapping each house in a terrace. Naming
each building separately also seems wrong. Perhaps
a surrounding landuse=residential area?
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<div>Cheers, Donald</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, 7 May 2022 at 17:13, Robert
Weetman <<a
href="mailto:robert.wtman.88@gmail.com"
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<div>Not sure if it helps to add this kind of
response, but I'm going to anyway...
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<div>It feels instinctively to me to be that
the obvious tagging should be with Leopold
Place as a building name. I imagine this
causing issues with actual maps, but we're
going to face this issue anyway. And we
should fall back on the rule about not
tagging for any particular rendering.</div>
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<div>I guess there's no harm in the
addr:substreet addition too.</div>
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<div>Just my twopennethworth as they say.</div>
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<div>Robert</div>
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Donald Noble, <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks Alan,
<div>As I understood addr:substreet
was more in conjunction with address
nodes on buildings, not tagging the
road ways, as this loses the spatial
placement and doesn't work when both
sides of a road have different names
buildings/terraces. I suppose we
could go with addr:substreet:left
and :right, but I am not sure this
is helpful.<br>
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<div>Donald</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, 7 May 2022 at
16:03, Alan Mackie <<a
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I
think in recent discussions the
preference was for these
addresses to be tagged
`addr:substreet`, as in a level
of addressing "below" street
level in the hierarchy. The
building names themselves can
also be applied to the buildings
with the usual tags. </span>
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<div><span
style="font-size:12.8px">Sorry
for the double response,
forgot to reply all.</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, 7 May 2022,
14:51 Donald Noble, <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
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<div>Just wondering if there
is any consensus/guidance on
tagging of streets with
adjacent named
buildings/terraces. There
are quite a few of these in
Scotland, and until now
these have been tagged with
the main name of the road,
and name:left/name:right as
appropriate for the
building/terrace name.</div>
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<div>Recently a mapper has
changed a couple of these so
the (minor) name appears on
the map, and they do not
appear to be local. Before
reverting this, I just
wanted to reach out to the
wider community.</div>
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<div>This road is called
London Road, but the
buildings to the north are
called Leopold Place, see <a
href="https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=932836447528898"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=932836447528898</a>
which shows both signs
(although a bit blurry)</div>
<div>GinaroZ left a note <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3087279"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3087279</a>
regarding </div>
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<div>Thanks for your
thoughts on this,</div>
<div>Cheers, Donald </div>
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