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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/07/2022 21:02, Rob Nickerson
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<div>Firstly, has anyone had much luck in establishing
contact? There are references in this thread to "waiting
for them to reply here" but I'd like to establish if
someone has even managed to flag "here" with them!</div>
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<p>I've been in contact with the mapper; they've said they want to
wait for their supervisor(s) (apparently currently on leave) to
reply. It seems only fair to let them get their feet under the
desk again and respond. I've deliberately been a bit vague in
earlier messages (e.g. "waiting for them to reply here") because
everyone deserves a break :)<br>
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<div dir="auto">Fortunately there seems to be lots of options:</div>
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<div dir="auto">- the two OSM user accounts referred to on the
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<p>One of those is the mapper that I've been in contact with; the
changesets of the other aren't obviously related to this project.
Assuming both are "organised editors", neither mapper's profile is
compliant with the OEG.<br>
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<p>I don't know for certain, but I'm guessing that "Ed" is the
person (or one of the people) who is on leave.</p>
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<div dir="auto">- Aidan Mcinerny's LinkedIn account as
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href="https://thegeomob.com/post/june-15th-2022-geomoblon-details"
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<p>I'm guessing, but might that be
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Aidanmci1">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Aidanmci1</a>
(a wiki editor of
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfL_Cycling_Infrastructure_Database">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfL_Cycling_Infrastructure_Database</a>
)? However, neither that person nor their company mentioned at
the geomob page is referenced by name at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfL_Cycling_Infrastructure_Database">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfL_Cycling_Infrastructure_Database</a>
. How exactly do they fit in?<br>
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<div>For now, I have gone a different route and asked the
geomob organisers if they can put me in contact. Fingers
crossed this works as a bit of support and training could
help get this project back on track :-)<br>
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<div dir="auto">P.s. looking at their geomob slides, it's
clear that they think they've followed the import
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<p>Frankly, I'm struggling to find a way to reply to that suggestion
in a way that wouldn't (rightly) get me reprimanded by the list
moderators. <br>
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<p>Sometimes we need to cut people some slack because they're
unfamiliar with OSM processes and or they don't have a translation
of <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines</a> in their
native language. Neither is the case here. I'm sure that the
initial consultancy (back in 2019) made good suggestions - much of
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfL_Cycling_Infrastructure_Database">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfL_Cycling_Infrastructure_Database</a>
seems to date from then, and it certainly "talks a good talk".
The problem seems to be that much of this advice was ignored and
someone decided to import lots of outdated information without
discussion. <br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Discuss_your_proposed_import">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Discuss_your_proposed_import</a>
is quite clear. Among other things, it says "Discuss your import
on the <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:imports@openstreetmap.org">imports@openstreetmap.org</a> mailing list and with appropriate
local communities". This is not a complicated, difficult to grasp
technical issue - anyone out of primary school will understand
that "discuss" implies a two-way conversation, including answering
the questions that people ask.<br>
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<p>Ed Whittaker did post to the imports list at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2022-June/006878.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2022-June/006878.html</a>
and said "Any feedback would be much appreciated". Unfortunately,
all replies to that message seem to have been ignored, as were the
messages here, and also a large number of changeset comments at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=15976978">http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=15976978</a>
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<p>However, let's give them the chance to return and respond. <br>
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<p>After that, if a revert of the out-of-date data imported so far
is needed the DWG are probably the most experienced do that.
Next, I'd expect the person/people in charge of the import to:</p>
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<li>Follow <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines</a>
(all of the steps, including discussion, including actually
replying to questions)</li>
<li>Follow
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines</a>
(again, all of the steps, including mapper training to enable
them to do conflation properly, and identifying each mapper's
account on their profile page as associated with the import)</li>
<li>(assuming that everyone is happy) perform the import carefully
keeping people on this list updated as it goes along.</li>
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<p>Best Regards,</p>
<p>Andy</p>
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