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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/07/2022 21:02, Rob Nickerson
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            <div>Firstly, has anyone had much luck in establishing
              contact? There are references in this thread to "waiting
              for them to reply here" but I'd like to establish if
              someone has even managed to flag "here" with them!</div>
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    <p>I've been in contact with the mapper; they've said they want to
      wait for their supervisor(s) (apparently currently on leave) to
      reply.  It seems only fair to let them get their feet under the
      desk again and respond.  I've deliberately been a bit vague in
      earlier messages (e.g. "waiting for them to reply here") because
      everyone deserves a break :)<br>
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          <div dir="auto">Fortunately there seems to be lots of options:</div>
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          <div dir="auto">- the two OSM user accounts referred to on the
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    <p>One of those is the mapper that I've been in contact with; the
      changesets of the other aren't obviously related to this project. 
      Assuming both are "organised editors", neither mapper's profile is
      compliant with the OEG.<br>
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          <div dir="auto">- Ed's email address he posted to
            talk-gb-london from.</div>
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    <p>I don't know for certain, but I'm guessing that "Ed" is the
      person (or one of the people) who is on leave.</p>
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          <div dir="auto">- Aidan Mcinerny's LinkedIn account as
            mentioned on <a
              href="https://thegeomob.com/post/june-15th-2022-geomoblon-details"
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    <p>I'm guessing, but might that be
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Aidanmci1">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Aidanmci1</a>
      (a wiki editor of
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfL_Cycling_Infrastructure_Database">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfL_Cycling_Infrastructure_Database</a>
      )?  However, neither that person nor their company mentioned at
      the geomob page is referenced by name at
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfL_Cycling_Infrastructure_Database">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfL_Cycling_Infrastructure_Database</a>
      .  How exactly do they fit in?<br>
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          <div>For now, I have gone a different route and asked the
            geomob organisers if they can put me in contact. Fingers
            crossed this works as a bit of support and training could
            help get this project back on track :-)<br>
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          <div dir="auto">P.s. looking at their geomob slides, it's
            clear that they think they've followed the import
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    <p>Frankly, I'm struggling to find a way to reply to that suggestion
      in a way that wouldn't (rightly) get me reprimanded by the list
      moderators.  <br>
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    <p>Sometimes we need to cut people some slack because they're
      unfamiliar with OSM processes and or they don't have a translation
      of <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines</a> in their
      native language.  Neither is the case here.  I'm sure that the
      initial consultancy (back in 2019) made good suggestions - much of
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfL_Cycling_Infrastructure_Database">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfL_Cycling_Infrastructure_Database</a>
      seems to date from then, and it certainly "talks a good talk". 
      The problem seems to be that much of this advice was ignored and
      someone decided to import lots of outdated information without
      discussion.  <br>
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    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Discuss_your_proposed_import">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Discuss_your_proposed_import</a>
      is quite clear.  Among other things, it says "Discuss your import
      on the <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:imports@openstreetmap.org">imports@openstreetmap.org</a> mailing list and with appropriate
      local communities".  This is not a complicated, difficult to grasp
      technical issue - anyone out of primary school will understand
      that "discuss" implies a two-way conversation, including answering
      the questions that people ask.<br>
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    <p>Ed Whittaker did post to the imports list at
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2022-June/006878.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2022-June/006878.html</a>
      and said "Any feedback would be much appreciated".  Unfortunately,
      all replies to that message seem to have been ignored, as were the
      messages here, and also a large number of changeset comments at
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=15976978">http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=15976978</a>
      .</p>
    <p>However, let's give them the chance to return and respond.  <br>
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    <p>After that, if a revert of the out-of-date data imported so far
      is needed the DWG are probably the most experienced do that. 
      Next, I'd expect the person/people in charge of the import to:</p>
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      <li>Follow <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines</a>
        (all of the steps, including discussion, including actually
        replying to questions)</li>
      <li>Follow
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines</a>
        (again, all of the steps, including mapper training to enable
        them to do conflation properly, and identifying each mapper's
        account on their profile page as associated with the import)</li>
      <li>(assuming that everyone is happy) perform the import carefully
        keeping people on this list updated as it goes along.</li>
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    <p>Best Regards,</p>
    <p>Andy</p>
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