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path on the north side; also, apart from short stretches at both ends, the pavements on both sides are only partly traversable with a grass verge next to the street interrupted by drives to every house.</span></div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Robert Skedgell <rob@hubris.org.uk><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 14 December 2022 23:43<br>
<b>To:</b> talk-gb@openstreetmap.org <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] One-off separately mapped pavement, keep or delete?</font>
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<div class="PlainText">I've replied to the note.<br>
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Describing any accessibility information associated with the separate <br>
sidewalk/footway, may be a good enough reason for some to do it. I tend <br>
to only do it with main roads which have well-defined crossing points. <br>
Without mapped crossings, doing all the sidewalks on a residential <br>
estate can lead to routing tools taking a rather scenic route.<br>
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There's a very good reason why parts of the London LOOP and Capital Ring <br>
paths are mapped on separate footways. Small route markers and signs are <br>
frequently present only on one side of the road and it can be quite easy <br>
to miss a turning if you're on the wrong side. It's caught me out a few <br>
times while running sections of the Capital Ring.<br>
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Hopefully the mapper who left the note has taken advantage of updates to <br>
StreetComplete which make it easy to tag situations where one sidewalk <br>
is mapped as a separate way and the other is not. I've added the <br>
appropriate tags to the road in <br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/130092647">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/130092647</a><br>
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On 14/12/2022 22:52, SK53 wrote:<br>
> It appears to play a role in a relation <br>
> <<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10773339#map=16/51.6086/-0.3739">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10773339#map=16/51.6086/-0.3739</a>>
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> connected with the London Loop, and generally meets the criteria I'd <br>
> want for a separately mapped footpath: footway=sidewalk, well-connected <br>
> to roads and crossings. So it's not incorrect mapping, and it's one-off <br>
> nature is to do with supporting a long-distance path, with some <br>
> accessibility tagging. The pavement along Uxbridge Road is less well <br>
> mapped and there are a couple of short stubs near the station, although <br>
> short enough not to interfere with pedestrian routing.<br>
> <br>
> Whereas like you I would generally chose to add sidewalk tags to the <br>
> road, separate footway=sidewalk is a widely advocated style of mapping, <br>
> and I think it is best to accept that.<br>
> <br>
> Jerry<br>
> <br>
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2022 at 21:36, Andrew Hain <andrewhainosm@hotmail.co.uk <br>
> <<a href="mailto:andrewhainosm@hotmail.co.uk">mailto:andrewhainosm@hotmail.co.uk</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> I am considering whether or not to act on a note<br>
> [<a href=""></a>https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3176003<br>
> <<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3176003">https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3176003</a>>] suggesting a one-off<br>
> separately mapped pavement (that is traversable to the road) should<br>
> be replaced with tags on the road. The road is in a suburb where<br>
> most roads have pavements on both sides.<br>
> <br>
> I am trying to digest the forum discussion on the topic.<br>
> [<a href=""></a>https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/is-there-consensus-on-mapping-pavements-sidewalks-separately-to-roads/1067 <<a href="https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/is-there-consensus-on-mapping-pavements-sidewalks-separately-to-roads/1067">https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/is-there-consensus-on-mapping-pavements-sidewalks-separately-to-roads/1067</a>>]<br>
> <br>
> --<br>
> Andrew<br>
> <<a href="https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/is-there-consensus-on-mapping-pavements-sidewalks-separately-to-roads/1067">https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/is-there-consensus-on-mapping-pavements-sidewalks-separately-to-roads/1067</a>><br>
> <br>
> Tagging help & support - OpenStreetMap Community<br>
> <<a href="https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/is-there-consensus-on-mapping-pavements-sidewalks-separately-to-roads/1067">https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/is-there-consensus-on-mapping-pavements-sidewalks-separately-to-roads/1067</a>><br>
> As of 2022, there is no consensus. A core reason for this situation<br>
> is that both commonly used approaches lack the ability to capture<br>
> some important knowledge about the world: Tags on the main highway=*<br>
> cannot faithfully represent sidewalk geometries (and struggle to<br>
> represent details such as barriers on sidewalks), while separate<br>
> ways fail to capture the information which road a sidewalk ...<br>
> community.openstreetmap.org <<a href="http://community.openstreetmap.org">http://community.openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3176003">https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3176003</a>><br>
> <br>
> Note: 3176003 | OpenStreetMap<br>
> <<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3176003">https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3176003</a>><br>
> OpenStreetMap is a map of the world, created by people like you and<br>
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