<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 3 Jan 2023, 11:56 Donald Noble, <<a href="mailto:drnoble@gmail.com">drnoble@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks for the thoughts folks. Sorry I should have been clearer in my original message that I agree the acces=private tag is required, but I was wondering if the tagging should also be updated as well before I changed anything. </div><div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For parking at a house it might be better to go to the firmer access=no. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><div>I can understand Frederik's point about DWG complaints, as the faded P is also used where access is for customers, which is somewhat different to a private driveway. As Mark notes, this can lead to a very cluttered map (although that is not necessarily a reason not to map).</div><div><br></div><div>I like Robert's suggestion of some other tagging for private driveways, although assume that would require some form of consensus. This was sort of what I was thinking in my original message.</div><div><br></div><div>Jerry, the police call box is currently only a frame, not sure if it is being refurbished. I'm also not sure if there are restrictions on the Dorset Place parking, will check next time I'm passing.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers, Donald</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 13:53, Frederik Ramm <<a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">frederik@remote.org</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
On 03.01.23 14:35, Robert Skedgell wrote:<br>
> As well as Mateusz's suggestion of ensuring that it is access=private, a <br>
> new tag like parking=driveway rather than parking=surface might help <br>
> (preferably not rendered with a P by OSM Carto).<br>
<br>
Frequent source of complaints to DWG - even when mapped access=private, <br>
property owners will still often object to the "P" shown on the map. <br>
Some will relent when we point out the much stronger blue "P" on a <br>
public car park, but others - probably not unreasonably - fear that map <br>
users will mistake this for a public space.<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 14:37, Mark Goodge <<a href="mailto:mark@good-stuff.co.uk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mark@good-stuff.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">My personal opinion, FWIW, is that we shouldn't map parking spaces that<br>are merely the forecourt or back yard of an individual private<br>residential dwelling. Otherwise, if done consistently it's going to make<br>the average suburban street look incredibly cluttered - most of the<br>common renders will be littered with densely packed Ps all over the<br>place in urban areas, and, while we don't map for the render, that kind<br>of tag is pretty useless for data consumers as well. It's also<br>meaningless for most residential properties, because, although parking<br>may well be the most common use, almost all residential curtilages are<br>multi-purpose.<br><br>I think it is useful, though, to map shared parking in residential areas<br>(eg, parking for an apartment block), and also parking within the<br>curtilage of a commercial property. In these cases, though, it does need<br>to be tagged as private.</blockquote></div><div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto">I feel a reminder that we don't tag for the renderers is required here although maybe strengthening the access restriction would provide a basis to further diminish the rendering of non-shared private spaces.</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 13:27, SK53 <<a href="mailto:sk53.osm@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sk53.osm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>The one on Merchiston Avenue has been tagged as private since it was the amenity=parking was added by eric_ (a lead in the MESH project). Very nice <a href="https://canmore.org.uk/site/85649/edinburgh-merchiston-avenue-police-call-box" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">old police box</a> (tardis) just outside. On Bing Streetview imagery the access to the parking is not restricted by a gate. Looks to be mapped accurately.</div><div><br></div><div>As others have said, the other one is probably a car park for guests of the guest house and could do with an appropriate access tag. I've certainly stayed in guest houses in this area with parking round the back (and also in Corstorphine). These may be some of the closest places to the city centre which provide such a facility.<br></div><div><br></div><div>However, there are a number of other amenity=parking in this area which I think deserve more attention than these two. For instance, on <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/503332708" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Dorset Place</a> there are a number of car parks which look like private parking for residents of the apartments there. These should probably be tagged as for <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/189682569/history" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Abbotsford Court</a> up the hill (a place friends used to have a flat).</div><div><br></div><div>I think it's worth reviewing access tags, but would not remove ones already mapped.</div><div><br></div><div>Jerry</div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
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