<div dir="ltr">I've also commented on a changeset that merged speedhumps into building outlines and introduced kinks in roads. See this one, for example:<br><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/130253893#map=15/51.4972/-0.2896">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/130253893#map=15/51.4972/-0.2896</a><br><div>(I actually put the comment on a different nearby TfL CID changeset accidentally, but then linked to this one in a comment)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 6 Jan 2023 at 10:11, Ken Kilfedder <<a href="mailto:spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk">spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Could I please appeal for the TFL Cycle Infrastructure edits to be paused or halted? There have been some problems in the Beckon / Plaistow area, with duplicated or misplaced speed bumps. I've fixed a few by hand, but it would be best if those responsible had another look at their process.<br>
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See this node for example - <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10282561565" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10282561565</a> . The streets in the area are now all very zig-zagged, and this is incorrect.<br>
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Zoom in here to see the general pattern - <a href="https://osmcha.org/changesets/130428777/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://osmcha.org/changesets/130428777/</a><br>
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On Wed, 7 Dec 2022, at 5:48 PM, Aidan Mcinerney via Talk-GB wrote:<br>
> Steven - sorry!<br>
><br>
><br>
> From: Aidan Mcinerney via Talk-GB <<a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2022 5:43 PM<br>
> To: Steven Hirschorn <<a href="mailto:steven.hirschorn@gmail.com" target="_blank">steven.hirschorn@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a> <<a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database (CID) conflation<br>
><br>
> Hi Stephen - Thank you for the encouragement and input<br>
><br>
> Very much take your point about the size of the humps changeset needing <br>
> to be manageable. It feels like there's a balance we need to find with <br>
> the size of each changeset vs the number assets we're aiming to bring <br>
> in - around 26k humps. The position we reached was to restrict each <br>
> changeset to a max of 350 and kept in a fairly tightly constrained <br>
> zone. It sounds like reducing this max size is advisable.<br>
><br>
> You'll now see that the humps changeset has been reverted. Another user <br>
> (BCNorwich - thank you!) pointed out our method had caused duplication <br>
> in instances where we have attempted to revise tags on existing assets, <br>
> so we've reverted this changeset entirely to avoid disruption.<br>
><br>
> We'll regroup quickly to revise this method and post again to here and <br>
> the Wiki tomorrow.<br>
><br>
> Many thanks,<br>
> Aidan<br>
><br>
> From: Steven Hirschorn <<a href="mailto:steven.hirschorn@gmail.com" target="_blank">steven.hirschorn@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 10:59 PM<br>
> To: Aidan Mcinerney <<a href="mailto:Aidan.Mcinerney@ghd.com" target="_blank">Aidan.Mcinerney@ghd.com</a>><br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a> <<a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database (CID) conflation<br>
><br>
><br>
> You don't often get email from <a href="mailto:steven.hirschorn@gmail.com" target="_blank">steven.hirschorn@gmail.com</a>. Learn why <br>
> this is important<br>
><br>
> Hi Aidan,<br>
><br>
> Thanks for your efforts, I think it'll be a great addition. I've looked <br>
> at a sample of the bike parking and haven't found any issues - neither <br>
> false positives or inaccurate positions. I didn't look for any modified <br>
> existing nodes. I've noticed that it isn't exhaustive (the first few <br>
> nodes in the changeset were of Golden Square but there are some <br>
> post_hoops missing), but doesn't claim to be.<br>
><br>
> With the traffic calming measures, I found an example of cushions <br>
> listed as a hump - I don't know if that's a problem in the original <br>
> source data, or maybe it's changed since the survey or since the aerial <br>
> view on Bing was recorded? I still feel like the distinction isn't that <br>
> important and that it's useful to know that there's some kind of <br>
> traffic calming there even if the type is incorrect.<br>
> <a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fnode%2F10242246942&data=05%7C01%7Caidan.mcinerney%40ghd.com%7Ce18bf02137824a1d1a0408dad87aee08%7C5e4e864c3b824180a5155c8fb718fff8%7C0%7C0%7C638060319833070384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=XBLqHNeM9ODbIbroFx947%2BOi%2FyYzZmY6pzH2XOWCzKc%3D&reserved=0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fnode%2F10242246942&data=05%7C01%7Caidan.mcinerney%40ghd.com%7Ce18bf02137824a1d1a0408dad87aee08%7C5e4e864c3b824180a5155c8fb718fff8%7C0%7C0%7C638060319833070384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=XBLqHNeM9ODbIbroFx947%2BOi%2FyYzZmY6pzH2XOWCzKc%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
><br>
> I'm finding the bigger changeset difficult to analyse as JOSM doesn't <br>
> make it obvious what has changed, and it's too big to open in osmcha <br>
> (and there's 18 pages of updates to look at via the <a href="http://openstreetmap.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">openstreetmap.org</a> <br>
> representation!<br>
><br>
> Steven<br>
><br>
> On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 at 12:41, Aidan Mcinerney via Talk-GB <br>
> <<a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hello,<br>
><br>
> As discussed, we have now imported two example changesets for review<br>
><br>
> - 44 cycle parking assets from TfL CID inside London ward(s) St. <br>
> James's,West End #tflcid<br>
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><br>
> - 350 traffic calming assets (humps/cushions) of TfL CID within London <br>
> borough Barking and Dagenham #tflcid<br>
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><br>
> This is aligned to the method proposed, but we would be grateful if you <br>
> are able to advise if there is anything unexpected. All being well, we <br>
> would look to add a few more changesets for these two assets in 7 days.<br>
><br>
> Many thanks,<br>
><br>
> Aidan, Lu, Ed<br>
><br>
><br>
> From: Aidan Mcinerney via Talk-GB <<a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
> Date: Tuesday, 15 November 2022 at 11:03<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a> <<a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
> Subject: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database (CID) conflation<br>
> Hello<br>
><br>
> Following very helpful feedback earlier in the year, we are now looking <br>
> to recommence efforts to complete the migration of the TfL CID to OSM<br>
><br>
> In the intervening months, we have been assisted by CycleStreets in <br>
> closing out identified issues with the conversion scripts - <br>
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><br>
> We have reviewed and modified the import process to avoid <br>
> editing/importing using out of date info.<br>
> The details of this modification for two initial assets (parking and <br>
> speed bumps) are outlined here - <br>
> <a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FTfL_Cycling_Infrastructure_Database%23Modification_to_Process_%2528November_2022%2529&data=05%7C01%7Caidan.mcinerney%40ghd.com%7Ce18bf02137824a1d1a0408dad87aee08%7C5e4e864c3b824180a5155c8fb718fff8%7C0%7C0%7C638060319833070384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Mtz9dIOx7VpYm8lnxim3Xg%2F6BoL%2BHNi3TVlXLfK1b%2Bk%3D&reserved=0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FTfL_Cycling_Infrastructure_Database%23Modification_to_Process_%2528November_2022%2529&data=05%7C01%7Caidan.mcinerney%40ghd.com%7Ce18bf02137824a1d1a0408dad87aee08%7C5e4e864c3b824180a5155c8fb718fff8%7C0%7C0%7C638060319833070384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Mtz9dIOx7VpYm8lnxim3Xg%2F6BoL%2BHNi3TVlXLfK1b%2Bk%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
><br>
> Hopefuly this is all clear – but please ask questions if not. Should <br>
> the community consensus be to proceed with this approach, we propose <br>
> importing both assets for a single ward next week, allow time (a week?) <br>
> for review, before ramping up to a few more wards the following week. <br>
> We’re happy to be guided by the pace that community members feel <br>
> appropriate as we go.<br>
><br>
> We’re very grateful to receive your questions and comments!<br>
><br>
> Lu (GHD), Ed (Sweco) and Aidan (GHD)<br>
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