<div dir="ltr"><div>I've got a <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SK53/diary/400702">first cut</a> of 'steep paths'. An interesting exercise, but looks like I'll have to repeat with a better DEM and slightly more convoluted processing. The initial data is available on umap <a href="http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/steep-lakeland-paths_854032">here</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>Jerry.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 7 Jan 2023 at 16:11, SK53 <<a href="mailto:sk53.osm@gmail.com">sk53.osm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Dudley,</div><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately, this 'path' seems to be experiencing a bit of an <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/160034461/history" target="_blank">edit war</a>. It's not the only one, there was a recent similar issue on Causey Pike, where the <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/85797718/history" target="_blank">way</a> was recently removed from OSM. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I'm currently pulling down open data of DEMs with a view of identifying any other 'paths' in the Lake District which might require review. <br></div><div>There's a strong case for using trail_visibility to help identify such things, and on any path/footway with any SAC scale from T3 (demanding_mountain_hiking) and above.</div><div><br></div><div>Jerry<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 7 Jan 2023 at 15:49, Dudley Ibbett <<a href="mailto:dudleyibbett@hotmail.com" target="_blank">dudleyibbett@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Just seen this article in today’s Guardian: <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/06/hiking-app-alltrails-changes-route-rescue-three-walkers-lake-district" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/06/hiking-app-alltrails-changes-route-rescue-three-walkers-lake-district</a><br>
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<div>I’m not sure if this is relevant to the data in OSM but it does seem to look like a footway/path on the main map if I have correctly located it. According to the article, the Mountain rescue team describe it as “no path” so it would seem reasonable to
ensure the tagging is correct. Perhaps someone who has walked this route can review the tagging.</div>
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<div>The article doesn’t seem to be criticising the app but more it’s use and the understanding of its limitations. I assume this means there may be a way across a screw slope but you should assume it might just be scree. I.e. no visible path on the ground.
As such, I assume the app doesn’t render trail visibility for example.</div>
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