<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 17:30, Philip Barnes <<a href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Sun, 2023-01-08 at 13:48 +0000, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote:<br>
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> On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 13:37, Andy Townsend <<a href="mailto:ajt1047@gmail.com" target="_blank">ajt1047@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > I completely agree with regard to beach sections of LDPs, such<br>
> > ashttps://<a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/400098#map=12/-35.0135/117" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.openstreetmap.org/relation/400098#map=12/-35.0135/117</a><br>
> > .2243 (in Western Australia)<br>
> > andhttps://<a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3285170#map=14/51.5619/-4" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3285170#map=14/51.5619/-4</a><br>
> > .1443&layers=H (South Wales). The latter has got all the Wales<br>
> > Coast Path signage in it that I could find in that area; I couldn't<br>
> > find any on the beach itself. The former has occasional signage at<br>
> > best.<br>
> > > The same happens in pasture where there is a right of way and<br>
> > > entry/exit stiles or kissing gates. The route taken by walkers<br>
> > > varies to avoid wet bits and to go around where livestock is<br>
> > > grazing at the time <br>
> > If the exit from a field is obvious (e.g. gate visible at the far<br>
> > side) I probably wouldn't mark it as a low trail_visibility, as<br>
> > it's obvious where you need to go. It's not like<br>
> > <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/820162969" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/820162969</a> , where the sign that<br>
> > you're aiming for is far enough not to be visible from the other<br>
> > end.<br>
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> That depends on conditions, does it not? A gate that is obvious on a<br>
> clear, sunny day may be a challenge to find at night or in fog.<br>
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I do map trees in hedge lines which can be used to guide walkers<br>
towards the next gate or stile, especially useful if its over the brow<br>
of a hill.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ah, very good. I'm not sure how often those are rendered on the sorts of maps walkers are likely to be using.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> <br>
> I guess you could argue that a foot-worn trail that's obvious on the<br>
> ground in summer may be obscured by snow from time to time. But that<br>
> feels different somehow.<br>
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Rural rights of way over pasture very rarely have a worn trail, unless<br>
they are in a tourist area or are a local hotspot they will rarely see<br>
enough walkers for a foot worn trail to develop. Walkers tend to take<br>
subtly different routes which will vary based on where livestock is at<br>
the time.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I meant out on the fell, especially once you move up above the heather line. The Cairngorm plateau in particular can feel a very different place under snow, as none of the usual lines are visible underfoot any more.</div></div></div>