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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I have a few Australian 'path' sections that are on beaches ..
visibility is truly 0! Yes the surface of the path is sand, as are
the beaches concerned. The sections are required to from a route
relation that is contiguous. <br>
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<div>Hi Dudley,</div>
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<div>Unfortunately, this 'path' seems to be experiencing a bit
of an <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/160034461/history"
moz-do-not-send="true">edit war</a>. It's not the only one,
there was a recent similar issue on Causey Pike, where the <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/85797718/history"
moz-do-not-send="true">way</a> was recently removed from
OSM. <br>
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<div>I'm currently pulling down open data of DEMs with a view of
identifying any other 'paths' in the Lake District which might
require review. <br>
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<div>There's a strong case for using trail_visibility to help
identify such things, and on any path/footway with any SAC
scale from T3 (demanding_mountain_hiking) and above.</div>
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<div>Just seen this article in today’s Guardian: <a
href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/06/hiking-app-alltrails-changes-route-rescue-three-walkers-lake-district"
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<div>I’m not sure if this is relevant to the data in OSM but
it does seem to look like a footway/path on the main map
if I have correctly located it. According to the
article, the Mountain rescue team describe it as “no path”
so it would seem reasonable to ensure the tagging is
correct. Perhaps someone who has walked this route can
review the tagging.</div>
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<div>The article doesn’t seem to be criticising the app but
more it’s use and the understanding of its limitations.
I assume this means there may be a way across a screw
slope but you should assume it might just be scree. I.e.
no visible path on the ground. As such, I assume the app
doesn’t render trail visibility for example.</div>
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