<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp14249718yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Just to say; there are LOTS of single-carriageway A roads in the UK.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Also, I can see that, at the edges of the Primary road network, a junction might have one "primary" road, linked to several (or 2?) tertiary roads. That would seem logically reasonable to me. However, I would struggle to understand a "primary" road that is a true cul-de-sac, with no exit, whatever designation the relevant authority migh assign. </div><div><br></div><div class="ydp14249718signature"><div style="font-family:new times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div>Regards,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">PeterPan99</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div></div><div><br></div>
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On Saturday, 14 January 2023 at 08:55:57 GMT, Steven Hirschorn <steven.hirschorn@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydp584c16c8yiv1760835041"><div><div>That's the thing - when I imagine an A road I imagine a road with probably two lanes in each direction, and a central reservation, but I know that many don't have those features.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Someone must be able to query OSM for primary roads that reach a node with no further motor vehicles access to see how common it is?!</div></div><br clear="none"><div class="ydp584c16c8yiv1760835041gmail_quote"><div id="ydp584c16c8yiv1760835041yqt26546" class="ydp584c16c8yiv1760835041yqt7196010703"><div dir="ltr" class="ydp584c16c8yiv1760835041gmail_attr">On Sat, 14 Jan 2023, 07:13 Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB, <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class="ydp584c16c8yiv1760835041gmail_quote">
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<div>For me it is definitely not highway=primary, though if it is officially classified<br clear="none"></div><div>as primary road in official designation data for UK that makes it a bit tricky.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Is it fine, also in UK that gave origin to main highway=* values, to ignore<br clear="none"></div><div>official road classification where it is silly/outdated?<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Poland has relatively highly classified road that is 55m meter long and leads to<br clear="none"></div><div>an abandoned railway station ( <a shape="rect" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/264203873/history" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/264203873/history</a> )<br clear="none"></div><div><a shape="rect" href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droga_wojew%C3%B3dzka_nr_219" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droga_wojew%C3%B3dzka_nr_219</a><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Also from Poland:<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>National road 58: <a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Jedwabno.JPG" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Jedwabno.JPG</a><br clear="none"></div><div>National road 90 in 2010: <a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Korzeniewo12.JPG" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Korzeniewo12.JPG</a><br clear="none"></div><div>(yes, ferry crossing)<br clear="none"></div><div>National road 90 in 2013: <a shape="rect" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kwidzyn_most.JPG" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kwidzyn_most.JPG</a><br clear="none"></div><div>(rerouted a bit, old ferry was abandoned)<br clear="none"></div><div>National road 81: <a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Miko%C5%82ow_-_DK81.JPG" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Miko%C5%82ow_-_DK81.JPG</a><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Obviously, not all of them are classified in the same way.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>(it is explicitly documented at <br clear="none"></div><div><a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Drogi#Klasyfikacja_dr%C3%B3g" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Drogi#Klasyfikacja_dr%C3%B3g</a> as it is common<br clear="none"></div><div>mistake by newbies to reclassify sandy road across forest because it is officialy<br clear="none"></div><div>classified as something)<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Jan 13, 2023, 23:12 by <a shape="rect" href="mailto:steven.hirschorn@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">steven.hirschorn@gmail.com</a>:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #93a3b8;padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div>I thought this was interesting: I noticed that a couple of mappers have different opinions about whether a road in OSM should be marked as "primary" or "tertiary". The road is still apparently designated the A3000, though Hounslow Council/TfL have also designated it a section of the route of Cycleway C9, and the last 300 metres are now a cul-de-sac (at least for cars travelling westbound, there's a modal filter at the end so pedestrians, cyclists et al can continue onward and there's also the one-way Clarence Road which allows cars to join Wellesley Road eastbound)<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>So is it still a primary road because of the designation? Can a primary road be a cul-de-sac? Aren't they usually roads designed to be a core route of the road network?<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I'd argue that if anything, from a motor vehicle perspective, it's become "residential" rather than "tertiary"...<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><a shape="rect" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/131241784" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/131241784</a><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div></blockquote><div><br clear="none"></div> </div>
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