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<b>Sent:</b> 14 January 2023 13:51<br>
<b>To:</b> Colin Smale <colin.smale@xs4all.nl><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Peter Neale via Talk-GB <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] highway=primary cul-de-sac?</font>
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<div>I think the relevant precedent is <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.75263/-1.25310" data-auth="NotApplicable">
Oxford High Street</a>.</div>
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<div>Note, also that the opposite applies. Former A roads which have had the designation removed, but no changes at all to the actual road.(e.g. former A612
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<div>from Lowdham, through Southwell to Averham.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 at 11:17, Colin Smale <<a href="mailto:colin.smale@xs4all.nl" data-auth="NotApplicable">colin.smale@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Even worse, in Scotland there are single-track roads with passing places that are A-roads. Should they be tagged as "unclassified" on the grounds of their width?
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<div dir="ltr">Just to say; there are LOTS of single-carriageway A roads in the UK.
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<div dir="ltr">Also, I can see that, at the edges of the Primary road network, a junction might have one "primary" road, linked to several (or 2?) tertiary roads. That would seem logically reasonable to me. However, I would struggle to understand a "primary"
road that is a true cul-de-sac, with no exit, whatever designation the relevant authority migh assign.
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<div>On Saturday, 14 January 2023 at 08:55:57 GMT, Steven Hirschorn <<a href="mailto:steven.hirschorn@gmail.com" data-auth="NotApplicable">steven.hirschorn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<div>That's the thing - when I imagine an A road I imagine a road with probably two lanes in each direction, and a central reservation, but I know that many don't have those features.
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<div>Someone must be able to query OSM for primary roads that reach a node with no further motor vehicles access to see how common it is?!
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, 14 Jan 2023, 07:13 Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB, <<a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" data-auth="NotApplicable" shape="rect">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:
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<div>For me it is definitely not highway=primary, though if it is officially classified
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<div>as primary road in official designation data for UK that makes it a bit tricky.
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<div>Is it fine, also in UK that gave origin to main highway=* values, to ignore </div>
<div>official road classification where it is silly/outdated? </div>
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<div>Poland has relatively highly classified road that is 55m meter long and leads to
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<div>an abandoned railway station ( <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/264203873/history" data-auth="NotApplicable" shape="rect">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/264203873/history</a> )
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<div><a href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droga_wojew%C3%B3dzka_nr_219" data-auth="NotApplicable" shape="rect">https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droga_wojew%C3%B3dzka_nr_219</a>
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<div>Also from Poland: </div>
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<div>National road 58: <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Jedwabno.JPG" data-auth="NotApplicable" shape="rect">
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Jedwabno.JPG</a> </div>
<div>National road 90 in 2010: <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Korzeniewo12.JPG" data-auth="NotApplicable" shape="rect">
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<div>National road 90 in 2013: <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kwidzyn_most.JPG" data-auth="NotApplicable" shape="rect">
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<div>(rerouted a bit, old ferry was abandoned) </div>
<div>National road 81: <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Miko%C5%82ow_-_DK81.JPG" data-auth="NotApplicable" shape="rect">
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Miko%C5%82ow_-_DK81.JPG</a> </div>
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<div>Obviously, not all of them are classified in the same way. </div>
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<div>(it is explicitly documented at </div>
<div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Drogi#Klasyfikacja_dr%C3%B3g" data-auth="NotApplicable" shape="rect">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Drogi#Klasyfikacja_dr%C3%B3g</a> as it is common
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<div>mistake by newbies to reclassify sandy road across forest because it is officialy
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<div>Jan 13, 2023, 23:12 by <a href="mailto:steven.hirschorn@gmail.com" data-auth="NotApplicable" shape="rect">
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<div>I thought this was interesting: I noticed that a couple of mappers have different opinions about whether a road in OSM should be marked as "primary" or "tertiary". The road is still apparently designated the A3000, though Hounslow Council/TfL have also
designated it a section of the route of Cycleway C9, and the last 300 metres are now a cul-de-sac (at least for cars travelling westbound, there's a modal filter at the end so pedestrians, cyclists et al can continue onward and there's also the one-way Clarence
Road which allows cars to join Wellesley Road eastbound) </div>
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<div>So is it still a primary road because of the designation? Can a primary road be a cul-de-sac? Aren't they usually roads designed to be a core route of the road network?
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<div>I'd argue that if anything, from a motor vehicle perspective, it's become "residential" rather than "tertiary"...
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<div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/131241784" data-auth="NotApplicable" shape="rect">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/131241784</a>
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