<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Verdana;">In this case, there was an 11-day gap.<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/12704978/history#map=18/51.52507/0.04240">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/12704978/history#map=18/51.52507/0.04240</a><br></div><ul><li style="font-family:Verdana;">Versions #7, #8 and #9 of Frinton Road - all 2022-12-12 - changeset comments implying a general update of the area, mostly to add streetside trees<br></li><li style="font-family:Verdana;">Version #10 - 2022-12-23 - added the TfL assets.<br></li></ul><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div id="sig98312048"><div class="signature">---<br></div><div class="signature"><a href="https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain">https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain</a><br></div><div class="signature"><a href="mailto:spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk">spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk</a><br></div></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div>On Thu, 19 Jan 2023, at 10:50 AM, Steven Hirschorn wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div dir="auto">Out of curiosity, Ken, were the affected roads realigned in the days before the TfL changes were applied?<br></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Thu, 19 Jan 2023, 10:41 Ken Kilfedder, <<a href="mailto:spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk">spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1px;padding-left:1ex;"><div>Have a look at the alignment of :<br></div><div> * <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10282554742" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10282554742</a><br></div><div> * <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10282561555" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10282561555</a><br></div><div> * <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10282561767" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10282561767</a><br></div><div> * <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10282561651" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10282561651</a> (on Henniker Gardns, which has previously been mentioned)<br></div><div> * <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10282506906" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10282506906</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> I've found these by eyeballing the area on <a href="http://osm.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">osm.org</a>, and looking for crooked roads. In every case there is a ref:GB:tflcid node in each incorrect bend. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> I have not carried out any checks in other areas, or carried out any sophisticated searches looking for new ref:GB:tflcid nodes that coincide with bends. So the above list is probably non-exhaustive.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> ---<br></div><div> <a href="https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain</a><br></div><div> <a href="mailto:spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> On Thu, 19 Jan 2023, at 10:16 AM, Aidan Mcinerney wrote:<br></div><div> > Hi Ken<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > apologies - we've endeavored to tidy up all the instances we could see. <br></div><div> > could you please give a couple of examples?<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > Many thanks,<br></div><div> > Aidan<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> ><br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > From: Ken Kilfedder <<a href="mailto:spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk</a>><br></div><div> > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 9:57 AM<br></div><div> > To: Whittaker, Ed <<a href="mailto:ed.whittaker@sweco.co.uk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ed.whittaker@sweco.co.uk</a>>; Dave F via Talk-GB <br></div><div> > <<a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>><br></div><div> > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database (CID) <br></div><div> > conflation<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > [You don't often get email from <a href="mailto:spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk</a>. Learn why <br></div><div> > this is important at <a href="https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification</a> ]<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > Any update on this? I can see some of the wobbly roads have been <br></div><div> > fixed - though not all.<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > Have you done all you can? E.g. does it now fall to local mappers to <br></div><div> > find and fix the problems? Or does Sweco still plan to do it?<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > ---<br></div><div> > <a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhdyc.neis-one.org%2F%3Fspiregrain&data=05%7C01%7Caidan.mcinerney%40ghd.com%7C2c66cff4c5884d445eb108dafa03e2af%7C5e4e864c3b824180a5155c8fb718fff8%7C0%7C0%7C638097191951963359%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=oG6%2BleiR7HQIaT%2FycdwCJkp38TBcb18QKsLV9LC8Bbs%3D&reserved=0" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhdyc.neis-one.org%2F%3Fspiregrain&data=05%7C01%7Caidan.mcinerney%40ghd.com%7C2c66cff4c5884d445eb108dafa03e2af%7C5e4e864c3b824180a5155c8fb718fff8%7C0%7C0%7C638097191951963359%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=oG6%2BleiR7HQIaT%2FycdwCJkp38TBcb18QKsLV9LC8Bbs%3D&reserved=0</a><br></div><div> > <a href="mailto:spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk</a><br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > On Fri, 6 Jan 2023, at 3:03 PM, Whittaker, Ed via Talk-GB wrote:<br></div><div> >> Hi Ken,<br></div><div> >><br></div><div> >> I agree, it does not look very good at present... I'll need to chat<br></div><div> >> with the person who did that area when they are back Monday next week<br></div><div> >> though it initially appears that they had not updated their locally<br></div><div> >> cached OSM data in JOSM whilst nearby roads had been re-aligned and<br></div><div> >> speed bumps added in the preceding week (some internal process issues<br></div><div> >> for us to pick up on there). I've picked some random sample changesets<br></div><div> >> and so far it appears an issue restricted to this area. 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