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main problem with edits in Co Down is the use of a standard text instead of a proper edit explanation.</span></div>
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edits have been made as part of an organised editing activity agreed with OSM board members,<br>
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in consultation with National Trust rangers. For more info please see: Organised Editing/Activities/National Trust Paths - OpenStreetMap Wiki'</span><br>
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number of significant errors have been introduced. My understanding is than OSM is meant to be collaborative and progressive (in the sense that improvements are always possible). </span></div>
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text almost reads to me as "this is NT property and our official classification of what is on it". As a keen NT volunteer myself I hope that the Trust editors can be educated to work constructively with other OSM contributors.</span></div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> SK53 <sk53.osm@gmail.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 13 February 2023 14:50<br>
<b>To:</b> Dave F <davefoxfac63@btinternet.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Talk-GB <Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Edits being made by a National Trust GIS team member</font>
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<div dir="ltr">I think others have said this, but my understanding is that typical NT edits will be made by local rangers and possibly volunteers,
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<div>perhaps with some support from the GIS team. The whole point of the project is that the NT does not have a digital database of<br>
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<div>all the paths, tracks and roads on or crossing their estate.<br>
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<div>This was certainly the pre-covid intention described in talks at OSM-UK's AGM and
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<div>at SotM-19 in Heidelberg. NT staff put a lot of work together with OSM-UK in developing tagging guidelines which met their needs
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<div>and respected current OSM usage. Some of the things found in initial work were very interesting: footpaths misaligned on the
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<div>definitive map, but accurate on OSM was one that stood out. Other issues were PRoW which traverse ground of high conservation value
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<div>(e.g., nesting moorland birds, delicate vegetation) and how to map these validly and at the same time encourage use of alternatives with<br>
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<div>lower impact.<br>
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<div>John Stanworth and I attended a workshop for NT rangers & volunteers at Clumber Park in November 2019. The workshop was led<br>
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<div>by members of the GIS team. We did a bit of advocacy for mapping stiles etc. (with a particular focus on disabled access) and John</div>
<div>showed how he used GoMap for mapping footpaths. Obviously, Covid has severely disrupted these original plans, both in time<br>
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<div>and the severe financial constraints imposed by a lack of income at many properties over the past 3 years.</div>
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<div>Recent NT edits at Clumber Park are clearly by someone with a great deal of detailed knowledge of the estate.. Certainly better than mine,<br>
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<div>which was partially informed by tramping around Clumber looking for fungi along with one of the then wardens. Clumber also includes at least one
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<div>public road (Lime Tree Avenue), but others which are not, although they may at first glance appear so (e.g., Clumber Lane).</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 at 19:19, Dave F via Talk-GB <<a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" data-auth="NotApplicable" data-loopstyle="link">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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Question to all: Are there other GIS members of the NT contributing to OSM?<br>
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On 12/02/2023 17:21, Jez Nicholson wrote:<br>
> I for one and extremely proud to have an organisation on the level of <br>
> the National Trust using OSM. It is a huge stamp of approval for our <br>
> project<br>
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Great, I suppose, but unsure how that improves the quality of the OSM <br>
database.<br>
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> over other *ahem* national mapping providers.<br>
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Irrelevant to the problem.<br>
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><br>
> They engaged here a number of times, talked with OSMUK,<br>
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How? Where? It doesn't appears to have borne fruit.<br>
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> and presented at State of the Map. COVID lockdown slowed momentum but <br>
> now they are reinvigorated.<br>
<br>
Again, irrelevant.<br>
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><br>
> Their rangers are being introduced to mapping through some shared <br>
> guidelines, but, like all individuals, they will occasionally make <br>
> mistakes or even not map as you would.<br>
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If it were an "individual occasionally making mistakes" I wouldn't have <br>
posted.<br>
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The NT are meant to be a *professional* organisation. A *GIS* team <br>
member should have at least the /basic/ comprehension of cartography. I <br>
can't speak for all of the NT employee's contributions, but the <br>
changeset I mentioned has gone beyond the realms of newbie accidental <br>
changes into concerted, deliberate changes - PROWs were knowingly removed.<br>
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> They've looked at path mapping in detail and will take on board any <br>
> comments and adjust accordingly.<br>
<br>
How do you know that? Has someone from the NT GIS team been in contact <br>
with you, or are you a GIS team member?<br>
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> As you all know, there is never a perfect set of OSM tags and the <br>
> world gets messier the closer you look at it.<br>
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Again the amendments go beyond that.<br>
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I want to spend my OSM time contributing improvements to the OSM <br>
database, not chasing up contributors who really should know better.<br>
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DaveF<br>
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