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I would agree there.</div>
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I have on and off been developing the OpenTrailView project (opentrailview.org) - though it is very much a free-time, hobbyist project.</div>
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A couple of years ago myself and a collaborator started developing our own project, OpenWanderer.</div>
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However last year I discovered GeoVisio, which is seeing active development and is clearly the way to go. I have contributed a PR to this to improve the modularity and allow it to be more easily integrated into third-party apps, which has a time frame of release
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Kartaview is not fully open source, even the web application. It appears to me that the front end is open source, but the back end is not.</div>
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By contrast GeoVisio is an 100% open source project, and really we should be going with something which adopts an open-source ethos, is in active development, and accepts contributions.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Simon Poole <simon@poole.ch><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 17 February 2023 07:06<br>
<b>To:</b> talk-gb@openstreetmap.org <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org>; Philip Barnes <phil@trigpoint.me.uk><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Improving the Kartaview app.</font>
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<div dir="auto">IMHO we're flogging dead horses in this case.<br>
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Building something on top of <a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgitlab.com%2Fgeovisio%2Fgeovisio&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7C165f8bcca62447e6351208db10b64cb2%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638122147408463613%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=I1vNdMV5nyhSD%2F6nd2jUnhYGcqeL4bgKshhFbd4w4kM%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://gitlab.com/geovisio/geovisio" shash="wBrbYNktDeD3fvSuzxvzoh8ie/eORK41vPfFB+mnd2tWM7xGDkKDopYtLp+69X0MxV/HifQraJVukTyvuv2NYbGbijqwZhDwiMRsE7Hf5NC89af1TS8n61a/Kkx3M1aTPYac55WN0iU1no9B1cwkgZUM6cTtl1F1BBExJ1VzAAI=">
https://gitlab.com/geovisio/geovisio</a> would seem to have much more long term promise.
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The problems are actually less technical, but more organisational, financial and legal.<br>
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Am 14. Februar 2023 14:06:18 MEZ schrieb Philip Barnes <phil@trigpoint.me.uk>:<br>
>Hi Chris<br>
>I regularly contribute to mapillary and have once or twice managed to contribute to kartaview.<br>
><br>
>I am not a fan of apps for a number of reasons, the principal one is having to stick my phone to the windscreen. My phone in its mount is below the windscreen.<br>
><br>
>I have not tried the Kartaview app but in the early days of contributing to mapillary via the app found.<br>
>1. It stopped after an hour.<br>
>2. It would not work in the background, preventing the use of navigation apps. Hence I was unable to record trips requiring navigation. I was unable to record much of our road trips to France.<br>
><br>
>I now use a dashcam, from which I then process the videos into a series of geo-tagged images, ensuring that I only upload those with a minimum of 5m movement.<br>
><br>
>My intention has always been to upload my images to both mapillary and kartaview. I also keep the videos and images ready for the next thing that comes along.<br>
><br>
>Uploading these images to mapillary is easy, they provide a simple application that I just need to point at the folder containing the images.<br>
><br>
>Unfortunately kartaview make it much harder.<br>
>1. Anything other than phoneapps is missing from the homepage, or it is<br>
>very well hidden.<br>
>2. Scripts to exist on github<br>
> ( <a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fkartaview%2Fupload-scripts&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7C165f8bcca62447e6351208db10b64cb2%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638122147408619854%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tjo6ESXmk3gkEGXRVrfroSdkEi%2F3VT98wMgIiJCWtCg%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://github.com/kartaview/upload-scripts" shash="ZKNddOHtua++3ZRhlXksljl7EQiCUftLaxqnqCJ+I5+81+wwbTMpS10kj3XoqqT+48dfKIYWVajEaZdKklN9ZoBj4BwI1NF6DwNsLx5Xdfct/YGTs0ZhuXh3ybRzF7B9nM+arkLdmqMsyfJyIiUwb0w9YDa1+7ZdLeMZsJqWvSo=">https://github.com/kartaview/upload-scripts</a> ),
but I have found them<br>
>difficult to use. They need to be much simpler, such as<br>
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>Phil (trigpoint)<br>
><br>
>On 14 February 2023 10:47:35 GMT, Chris Andrew <cjhandrew@gmail.com><br>
>wrote:<br>
>> Hi, all.<br>
>> <br>
>> Some of you may be aware of the Kartaview [0] Android app. This has<br>
>> previously been known as OpenStreetCam and OpenStreetView. <br>
>> <br>
>> In the fairly recent past, Android users who wanted to record street-<br>
>> level imagery, had two main choices; Mapillary and Kartaview. Some<br>
>> time ago, Mapillary was acquired by Facebook, so many users jumped<br>
>> ship to Kartaview.<br>
>> <br>
>> Whilst Kartaview does function, some users feel that it and the<br>
>> community surrounding it, have been abandoned, and the Open Source<br>
>> code is not being released on GitHub. To try to draw a line in the<br>
>> sand, and to work out what is good and bad, I have raised an issue on<br>
>> GitHub.<br>
>> <br>
>> <a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fkartaview%2Fandroid%2Fissues%2F188&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7C165f8bcca62447e6351208db10b64cb2%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638122147408619854%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AmCNj6msW4PgQBjeGJnCUcIevzkSk2VKdDCUDZCZC10%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://github.com/kartaview/android/issues/188" shash="E+zNKMyGu9OOhsmbWB0yUHwdfcfTPUWzBCeAqY3bAtUvIpI8IDP+yVvApqPnsJPOr3MWbGFg4iDoNnaT5rdv20oqTuufWhftjMBW+e1W8Pntpm1QGFURcG/VJ4eMqWLyre1bxHLigdDK0u2Hn7+uE4jqCi+vtlLrAMB4sjJCc6Q=">
https://github.com/kartaview/android/issues/188</a><br>
>> <br>
>> My intention is to discuss what the mapping community want as a<br>
>> minimal viable product (MVP), in order to add to the information<br>
>> sources available to mappers. Some offline discussion has taken place<br>
>> regarding forking the code and concentrating on OSM needs, but if we<br>
>> can clarify what we want and need, then Kartaview can work with the<br>
>> community to getting things back on track (pun intended).<br>
>> <br>
>> It's always good to discuss matters in this list, but if the<br>
>> membership can add any thoughts to the GitHub 'ticket', then that<br>
>> would be really helpful.<br>
>> <br>
>> [0] <a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKartaView&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7C165f8bcca62447e6351208db10b64cb2%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638122147408619854%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=1aBlXD2ZACvvZhUZ709Jx7bjG%2BCC4oTMdZN9yJFSuHk%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KartaView" shash="UECBChdiYtMpAgjB+e9vZPdS2/ET+TV7lT6vxxlLNFAQ1rZZybA9R2WfHhLyAdLCwi4WpYPciNGUlKGctu/rwuRe2P7Ttq5dV6WCfLhOqSgFqwMPK1VZBTeEitwI6NlRXX3reQQSlFJxu/t2gx44DtCKGf0PVLSPcbHSH+3aPgQ=">
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KartaView</a><br>
>> <br>
>> Thanks, all.<br>
>> <br>
>> Chris<br>
>> <a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fuser%2Fchris_debian&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7C165f8bcca62447e6351208db10b64cb2%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638122147408619854%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=OuFrarOv%2FINlQQhnoTiR3LUvD%2FUBjr6lGEv0HvbWC0w%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chris_debian" shash="ubhF1zwGuyuM+fkgmm5dwEaL7yCzB96+qOHq/syu47izg9ewKlRcV/WRvHlQksnEPUG/FrG2bd0yN+GHunoW1z8/4dgyiHoUP46sHGT+jjHtXPVNFTeFcCRCLrzk91cP+hCw1A1DhAIFPSQtHxWtYuvHf9huJitXnaM+EpzCfRY=">
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chris_debian</a><br>
>> <br>
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