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<li>They would use a camera of some sort, either one capable of taking 360 images or just a standard camera. There is no upload app yet.
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<b>Sent:</b> 17 February 2023 21:11<br>
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<div>Thanks for the responses, Nick and Simon, it's good to hear about similar projects.</div>
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<div dir="auto">You both commented on Geovisio. It looks to me like Geovisio is a storage solution for geotagged imagery, to put it simply (for me).</div>
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<div dir="auto">Can anyone explain the 'capture' and 'exploitation' bits of the workflow. By this I mean: </div>
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<div dir="auto">2. To which server would captured imagery then be uploaded, in order for OSM users to use the imagery, to help improve OSM information?</div>
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<div dir="auto">As I say, it would be good to understand the end to end workflow, as this could be a viable alternative to KartaView, whilst development struggles and the solution isn't fully open source </div>
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<div dir="auto">Many thanks,</div>
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<div dir="ltr">IMHO we're flogging dead horses in this case.<br>
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Building something on top of <a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgitlab.com%2Fgeovisio%2Fgeovisio&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7Cd958ae115720470fa56508db112c0552%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638122653005425094%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ostOFo8ao%2BL14tZeFFyQQFodldaTNuWmzhnnlD6gG%2BI%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://gitlab.com/geovisio/geovisio" shash="iL5nIUiI7eR4S3t8af/0cFnGEsQMzUkZHAfbgfXtu84e2XhiHCgQIHy2duG6Z5bu0veT8/be1QBRXRqjmwIxr4tLrlrTua1aOw4J3dp8F+N2f9Ug1HI9nhdp356Jf2vbr+RAXNVGWkwAXV+g1X5RQGWx/gia/V3DWRYK3E18F8k=" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
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<div>The problems are actually less technical, but more organisational, financial and legal.</div>
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<div>Hi Simon, all.</div>
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<div>I was unaware of the geovisio project, and will try to have a look at it today, between meetings; would it be possible to add the link to this ticket, to potentially increase readership/ awareness?</div>
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<div>WRT 'flogging a dead horse', I completely agree and was trying to be diplomatic. I think if feelings are strong enough, this subject can move forward, but if not, I can hold my hand up and say that I tried.</div>
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<div>Many thanks,</div>
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I would agree there.</div>
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I have on and off been developing the OpenTrailView project (<a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fopentrailview.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7Cd958ae115720470fa56508db112c0552%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638122653005425094%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=SL1oM4CabTv8JrTMKuffK2c6vGNvvRI%2FnIyWxed%2FrJc%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="http://opentrailview.org/" shash="JZhIIAS4LKUvOPnIss8WgKnbyjTg14jVeX2U4IMIMYofYw43zn+eA9B/n1B9pH3nMw1HzCloWszIY66JB6fdbFRzRtgvrI54mkKWR4Mb9w7dD2DfazVJZ4Ub+Bo9NrK/11TRluYhJS6fJyjgFwNZ2hmT+nIAweItCLaZ3x4l3+o=" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">opentrailview.org</a>)
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A couple of years ago myself and a collaborator started developing our own project, OpenWanderer.</div>
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However last year I discovered GeoVisio, which is seeing active development and is clearly the way to go. I have contributed a PR to this to improve the modularity and allow it to be more easily integrated into third-party apps, which has a time frame of release
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Kartaview is not fully open source, even the web application. It appears to me that the front end is open source, but the back end is not.</div>
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By contrast GeoVisio is an 100% open source project, and really we should be going with something which adopts an open-source ethos, is in active development, and accepts contributions.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> 17 February 2023 07:06<br>
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<div dir="auto">IMHO we're flogging dead horses in this case.<br>
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Building something on top of <a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgitlab.com%2Fgeovisio%2Fgeovisio&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7Cd958ae115720470fa56508db112c0552%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638122653005425094%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ostOFo8ao%2BL14tZeFFyQQFodldaTNuWmzhnnlD6gG%2BI%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://gitlab.com/geovisio/geovisio" shash="iL5nIUiI7eR4S3t8af/0cFnGEsQMzUkZHAfbgfXtu84e2XhiHCgQIHy2duG6Z5bu0veT8/be1QBRXRqjmwIxr4tLrlrTua1aOw4J3dp8F+N2f9Ug1HI9nhdp356Jf2vbr+RAXNVGWkwAXV+g1X5RQGWx/gia/V3DWRYK3E18F8k=" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
https://gitlab.com/geovisio/geovisio</a> would seem to have much more long term promise.
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The problems are actually less technical, but more organisational, financial and legal.<br>
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Am 14. Februar 2023 14:06:18 MEZ schrieb Philip Barnes <<a href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>>:<br>
>Hi Chris<br>
>I regularly contribute to mapillary and have once or twice managed to contribute to kartaview.<br>
><br>
>I am not a fan of apps for a number of reasons, the principal one is having to stick my phone to the windscreen. My phone in its mount is below the windscreen.<br>
><br>
>I have not tried the Kartaview app but in the early days of contributing to mapillary via the app found.<br>
>1. It stopped after an hour.<br>
>2. It would not work in the background, preventing the use of navigation apps. Hence I was unable to record trips requiring navigation. I was unable to record much of our road trips to France.<br>
><br>
>I now use a dashcam, from which I then process the videos into a series of geo-tagged images, ensuring that I only upload those with a minimum of 5m movement.<br>
><br>
>My intention has always been to upload my images to both mapillary and kartaview. I also keep the videos and images ready for the next thing that comes along.<br>
><br>
>Uploading these images to mapillary is easy, they provide a simple application that I just need to point at the folder containing the images.<br>
><br>
>Unfortunately kartaview make it much harder.<br>
>1. Anything other than phoneapps is missing from the homepage, or it is<br>
>very well hidden.<br>
>2. Scripts to exist on github<br>
> ( <a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fkartaview%2Fupload-scripts&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7Cd958ae115720470fa56508db112c0552%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638122653005425094%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=K7RfEOcPyJMAr%2FcVrc0x8m6HzWn2pLiJV68J4i52XP0%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://github.com/kartaview/upload-scripts" shash="O1hnjT1kRKyUvQB4xCGzJuar527GzazuXoaAc7B7Nrgtly1FTEmmpq80DAdkigGAZk0NUVLmVMjc00/4bzPf4Su99ZVyhh6cSb7WKucPkXOfIs1Hbd5B/vhjcjbQT9YRZZIcCOgZfxWTPVxjUcZSW96gjOO66evyyN+nejgVKY0=" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://github.com/kartaview/upload-scripts</a> ),
but I have found them<br>
>difficult to use. They need to be much simpler, such as<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>Phil (trigpoint)<br>
><br>
>On 14 February 2023 10:47:35 GMT, Chris Andrew <<a href="mailto:cjhandrew@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">cjhandrew@gmail.com</a>><br>
>wrote:<br>
>> Hi, all.<br>
>> <br>
>> Some of you may be aware of the Kartaview [0] Android app. This has<br>
>> previously been known as OpenStreetCam and OpenStreetView. <br>
>> <br>
>> In the fairly recent past, Android users who wanted to record street-<br>
>> level imagery, had two main choices; Mapillary and Kartaview. Some<br>
>> time ago, Mapillary was acquired by Facebook, so many users jumped<br>
>> ship to Kartaview.<br>
>> <br>
>> Whilst Kartaview does function, some users feel that it and the<br>
>> community surrounding it, have been abandoned, and the Open Source<br>
>> code is not being released on GitHub. To try to draw a line in the<br>
>> sand, and to work out what is good and bad, I have raised an issue on<br>
>> GitHub.<br>
>> <br>
>> <a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fkartaview%2Fandroid%2Fissues%2F188&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7Cd958ae115720470fa56508db112c0552%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638122653005425094%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=wWeu0lUjun1dQyrBwCFr4n%2Bnsm64HmdxudFLEa%2B%2B0r0%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://github.com/kartaview/android/issues/188" shash="d2hPFJkzVTArFmhozhQAV3ZKKmjSB+NNzmjwNKjFS4xQyMHjtXOfjQXUFJ7nI7rmgZmq7eKVLWK2v/iizyGVgoc1fj81fT67TeCrJk3NlXf4KdJiDmPrBfYdRmfQnCmukLUhGRR7lphOioZvF0gfcv36sk9nm0K/ETODVVmPPwE=" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
https://github.com/kartaview/android/issues/188</a><br>
>> <br>
>> My intention is to discuss what the mapping community want as a<br>
>> minimal viable product (MVP), in order to add to the information<br>
>> sources available to mappers. Some offline discussion has taken place<br>
>> regarding forking the code and concentrating on OSM needs, but if we<br>
>> can clarify what we want and need, then Kartaview can work with the<br>
>> community to getting things back on track (pun intended).<br>
>> <br>
>> It's always good to discuss matters in this list, but if the<br>
>> membership can add any thoughts to the GitHub 'ticket', then that<br>
>> would be really helpful.<br>
>> <br>
>> [0] <a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKartaView&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7Cd958ae115720470fa56508db112c0552%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638122653005425094%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rEwKvVYI1NmlTCwMFlml7TWlHla5mqR%2FyZ32QIkc7Xk%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KartaView" shash="BkSt9VvDQIjhczirtKS0Kj4YUToHRbfEexjdxaWt9yAB5IZeU5mJPBu8464dEvaB+uLbwmh8Jj7hya5RtpwokwSp1jq2FJ+kgsvDtinEVHr/pyPP/28mYl9IHVU5vZwA0EqXzWYYrTCaTmcaD/0r8VwICjXO7jAVaf4mdMWh2DE=" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KartaView</a><br>
>> <br>
>> Thanks, all.<br>
>> <br>
>> Chris<br>
>> <a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fuser%2Fchris_debian&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7Cd958ae115720470fa56508db112c0552%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638122653005425094%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=nMIbFQuhEdTrbuU%2FDrwoG%2FN%2F5jp%2BQ55F61dAWxXiCoU%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chris_debian" shash="A/+tZSvYU/TUwZA8kOHir6LT6SfmxaP4y9ByICdRUkM/SgOQYpUcR08QgKMIOjNiULlDvzrlTDhgMXasUwdxfMxlHHFnd16Pzu8NkOvtPW0qMqER6SZbddBp53Xfd8p757Qbv6yv+QhRF66F3nMgWBdiQvO4BIQNi7hpjUm+5bc=" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chris_debian</a><br>
>> <br>
><br>
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