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<p>> My brother-in-law is a London cabbie. He says, "Only cab
drivers can go inside the shelter, but they have a serving hatch
for the public to get takeaways from, hope that helps."</p>
<p>Yeah, that's what I gathered as well, thanks to your BIL for
confirming it :)</p>
<p>Would that warrant detatching the amenity=cafe (and whatever) as
seperate nodes from the buidings, so that the building=shelter can
be tagged access=private without implying that that's the access
for the cafe as well?</p>
<p>K<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07.02.2024 07:29, Jez Nicholson
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<div dir="auto">My brother-in-law is a London cabbie. He says,
"Only cab drivers can go inside the shelter, but they have a
serving hatch for the public to get takeaways from, hope that
helps."</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 6 Feb 2024, 18:59 Kai
Michael Poppe, <<a href="mailto:osm@poppe.dev"
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<p>I will refrain from using a relation but MY GOSH is that
wall of text hard to read. I might take some time to bring
some structure into that page. Thanks for pointing that
out (even if it wasn't your intention :-))<br>
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<p>K<br>
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<div>On 06.02.2024 12:42, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB
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<div>That sounds like case of<br>
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<div>Feb 6, 2024, 12:40 by <a
href="mailto:pmberry2007@gmail.com"
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moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">pmberry2007@gmail.com</a>:<br>
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<div>Hi,<br>
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<div>Whichever way you end up tagging them, it would
be useful to collect them together under a simple
site relation. That way they can easily be found and
you may be able to move general tagging to the
relation level instead of duplicating it at the
member level.<br>
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<div>Regards,<br>
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<div><i>Paul</i><br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 at 11:20, Kai
Michael Poppe <<a
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<div>Hi all,<br>
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<div> <br>
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<div> by chance I stumbled upon Roblondon's video
[1] about the thirteen <br>
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<div> remaining cabmen's shelters in London that all
have been Grade II listed <br>
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<div> - some of them are in use as kiosks or cafe,
some seem not to be open <br>
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<div> anymore, yet they remain under the supervision
of the Cabmen's Shelter <br>
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<div> Fund [2].<br>
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<div> <br>
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<div> Due to highly inconsistent tagging, it wasn't
easy to find them in OSM, <br>
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<div> but alas, here they are: [3]<br>
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<div> <br>
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<div> I'd love to make the tagging more consistent,
so a few points I'd like <br>
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<div> to discuss:<br>
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<div> <br>
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<div> * If I understand the building-tag correctly
(tagging what the building <br>
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<div> was initially designed to be, regardless of
it's current use), <br>
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<div> building=shelter should be superior to retail,
kiosk, hut or yes <br>
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<div> *shudders* - correct?<br>
</div>
<div> * There are 2 cafés that are mapped as nodes
on top of buildings and 3 <br>
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<div> as amenity=cafe (1 shop=kiosk) on the
buildings' way. Should this be <br>
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<div> changed (all seperate nodes or all tagging on
the ways)?<br>
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<div> * 8 shelters have a wikidata-tag, yet there
are more entries in WD that <br>
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<div> refer to these shelters, so I would need to
figure the missing ones out <br>
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<div> and add them. As far as I've seen, the NHLE
Identifier seems to exist in <br>
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<div> WD as well, linking to the correct entries. Is
there any point in adding <br>
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<div> them to OSM as ref:GB:nhle or would that be
data duplication we do not <br>
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<div> need? Likewise for listed_status=Grade II and
operator:heritage=Heritage <br>
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<div> England?<br>
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<div> <br>
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<div> Thoughts?<br>
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<div> K<br>
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<div> [1] <a href="https://youtu.be/Nsoxj9U71rQ"
rel="noopener noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://youtu.be/Nsoxj9U71rQ</a><br>
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<div> [2] <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabmen%27s_Shelter_Fund"
rel="noopener noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabmen%27s_Shelter_Fund</a><br>
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<div> [3] <a
href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1GYj"
rel="noopener noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1GYj</a><br>
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