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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>A couple of Haven "holiday park" resorts have been re-tagged from
`tourism=caravan_site` to `tourism=chalet` with a specific note
which makes me wonder if there is a language issue around the
meaning of `caravan` and `caravan_site` in Europe verses the UK?</p>
<p>I've added a changeset note asking for the logic behind the
change, and inviting the mapper to discuss with the UK community
as their history seems to contain a lot of caravan site changes
across Europe.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Operators like Havon and Parkdean Resorts rent out static
caravans on both weekly and multi-year contracts.<br>
</p>
<p>The sites have only service blocks as permanent buildings with
the customer "dwellings" all static caravans with wheels. These
caravans are moved every few years as pitch rentals are updated
and owners move their leased / owned caravans (a friend used to
drive the tractors to perform these moves). Services are bottled
gas, WLAN, and plug-in electricity to allow these moves.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>The sites in NE England are tagged as tourism=caravan_site which
fits as the "dwellings" are all static caravans with wheels. I can
see a confusion as not all sites allow touring caravans or motor
homes (i.e. customers who travel and bring their own kit, rather
than lease/hire a caravan with bed linen), so extra tagging might
be useful:</p>
<p>caravans = no (no touring caravans - a few have some
facilities)<br>
tents = no (no tent camping - a few have some facilities)<br>
motorhome_stopover = no (no motorhomes = RVs - a few have some
facilities, not like European "aires")<br>
static_caravans = only (where caravans/ tents/
motorhome_stopover = no)<br>
permanent_camping = only (where caravans/ tents/
motorhome_stopover = no)<br>
</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism=caravan_site">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism=caravan_site</a></p>
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</p>
<p>These locations don't have permanent customer buildings, so the
tourism=chalet which has been added doesn't fit my understanding:<br>
</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism=chalet">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism=chalet</a></p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p></p>
<b>Could this be a cultural / language issue with the perception of
"caravans" != "static_caravans" ?</b>
<p>Do you think a chalet is a permanent building?<br>
</p>
<p><b>What do you think is best in the UK context please?</b></p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I've seen some sites (e.g. around Midlands canals) with permanent
residents living in static_caravans, but the Parkdean / Haven
locations don't have residential planning permission (10 months
max occupation with complete mandatory Winter closures) so aren't
residential=trailer_park .<br>
</p>
<p></p>
<p>A very few sites have "log cabins" (e.g. a corner of Haggerston
Castle way 905745175), which seen to be semi-permanent structures
from static_caravan manufacturers screwed together on foundations
- but even then, these seem to be more cabins=yes in the UK
context, rather than tourism=chalet as these are only
semi-permanent. Basically, larger, more expensive static_caravans
with the wheels and sub-frame unscrewed!</p>
<p>Happy Mapping,<br>
</p>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">James
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