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<p>I'm wary of caravan_site for sites that only have statics, as
it's ambiguous - it can also mean a site for touring caravans (and
motorhomes, which I have). But a chalet is not a site - a chalet
is closer to an individual static caravan. So tourism=chalet for
the whole park is wrong, and tourism=caravan_site may be the best
option.</p>
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<p>A couple of points I'd to clarify - I don't think they would
affect the conclusion but they're worth mentioning just in case:<br>
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<p>Services to every static I've ever stayed in also include water
and sewage. That makes moving them around a little harder.
Having no bottled gas (an all electric setup) is more likely than
no water, though I haven't seen that in the UK where we're more
likely to need heating<br>
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<p>Yes, Haven and Parkdean tend to only have statics and similar,
but most sites that have a lot of statics also take touring units,
so it's not really "a few" that have some facilities.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/02/2024 12:29, James Derrick
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>A couple of Haven "holiday park" resorts have been re-tagged
from `tourism=caravan_site` to `tourism=chalet` with a specific
note which makes me wonder if there is a language issue around
the meaning of `caravan` and `caravan_site` in Europe verses the
UK?</p>
<p>I've added a changeset note asking for the logic behind the
change, and inviting the mapper to discuss with the UK community
as their history seems to contain a lot of caravan site changes
across Europe.</p>
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<p>Operators like Havon and Parkdean Resorts rent out static
caravans on both weekly and multi-year contracts.<br>
</p>
<p>The sites have only service blocks as permanent buildings with
the customer "dwellings" all static caravans with wheels. These
caravans are moved every few years as pitch rentals are updated
and owners move their leased / owned caravans (a friend used to
drive the tractors to perform these moves). Services are bottled
gas, WLAN, and plug-in electricity to allow these moves.</p>
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<p>The sites in NE England are tagged as tourism=caravan_site
which fits as the "dwellings" are all static caravans with
wheels. I can see a confusion as not all sites allow touring
caravans or motor homes (i.e. customers who travel and bring
their own kit, rather than lease/hire a caravan with bed linen),
so extra tagging might be useful:</p>
<p>caravans = no (no touring caravans - a few have some
facilities)<br>
tents = no (no tent camping - a few have some facilities)<br>
motorhome_stopover = no (no motorhomes = RVs - a few have
some facilities, not like European "aires")<br>
static_caravans = only (where caravans/ tents/
motorhome_stopover = no)<br>
permanent_camping = only (where caravans/ tents/
motorhome_stopover = no)<br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism=caravan_site"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism=caravan_site</a></p>
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<p>These locations don't have permanent customer buildings, so the
tourism=chalet which has been added doesn't fit my
understanding:<br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism=chalet"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism=chalet</a></p>
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<b>Could this be a cultural / language issue with the perception
of "caravans" != "static_caravans" ?</b>
<p>Do you think a chalet is a permanent building?<br>
</p>
<p><b>What do you think is best in the UK context please?</b></p>
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<p>I've seen some sites (e.g. around Midlands canals) with
permanent residents living in static_caravans, but the Parkdean
/ Haven locations don't have residential planning permission (10
months max occupation with complete mandatory Winter closures)
so aren't residential=trailer_park .<br>
</p>
<p>A very few sites have "log cabins" (e.g. a corner of Haggerston
Castle way 905745175), which seen to be semi-permanent
structures from static_caravan manufacturers screwed together on
foundations - but even then, these seem to be more cabins=yes in
the UK context, rather than tourism=chalet as these are only
semi-permanent. Basically, larger, more expensive
static_caravans with the wheels and sub-frame unscrewed!</p>
<p>Happy Mapping,<br>
</p>
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