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Hi,<br>
<br>
here's another OSM file generated from the Health Facilities Master list<br>
<a
href="http://www.guggis.ch/haiti/HaitiHealthFacilities_Master.osm">http://www.guggis.ch/haiti/HaitiHealthFacilities_Master.osm</a><br>
<br>
It includes more attributes than the list posted earlier. *<b>Do not
import this file automatically, though</b>*. We should first agree on
the set of OSM tags to be used and how the attributes in the master
list are mapped onto them.<br>
<br>
What is the status of <br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Humanitarian_Data_Model_1.6_.28these_will_be_mapped_to_OSM_tagging.29">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Humanitarian_Data_Model_1.6_.28these_will_be_mapped_to_OSM_tagging.29</a>
<br>
in particular in comparision with<br>
<a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Draft_Ontology_for_healthcare_facilities">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Draft_Ontology_for_healthcare_facilities</a><br>
<br>
Which of the two tagging schemes is more stable?<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Karl<br>
<br>
<br>
Am 02.02.2010 11:05, schrieb nicolas chavent:
<blockquote
cite="mid:8f58b2ab1002020205m62ad0538r5a1dea09c96beec8@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Jean Guilhem and all.<br>
<br>
Just got back on-line: all the people who worked on the Health Facility
themes want this thematic layer in osm as compehrensive in the most
timely manner both:<br>
- (i) in terms of coverage of geo features: this is addressed by the
data conflation work Kate Chapman and others including Sahan, US Health
Govt, WHO and WHO-PAHO were involved in and which lead to this release
by David.<br>
Kate was working on a conflation of this superset with OSM and I think
we have to wait on her updating us on the status of the work to act
collectively in an efficient manner. She'll be up soon (living in US
Est Time).<br>
- (ii) in terms of semantic interoperability: this is being addressed
through the data modeling and coordination work I an running on this
Health object with Kate Chapman, David Smith, Andrew Turner, WHO
experts and Emergency coordinators, GIS Coordinators from GIS-NGOs
deployed on the ground. I'll be integrating this last set of attributes
elements from PAHO to the data model and issue a new version available
on the wiki at <br>
URL<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Humanitarian_Data_Model_1.6_.28these_will_be_mapped_to_OSM_tagging.29">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Humanitarian_Data_Model_1.6_.28these_will_be_mapped_to_OSM_tagging.29</a>
<br>
This has to be seen as the formulation of field requirements for health
facility geodata management in the perspective of OSM being closely
tied to this new phase of the humanitarian response with more contents
generated and shared from on the ground experts.<br>
Sahana through the portal shared by David allows for online data entry
by Field Health practitioners.<br>
Kate ensured a way to refresh OSM attributes with this field
contributed contents.<br>
On top of that WHO and PAHO are considering using directly OSM Editors
to manage this data and relay on OSM DB for this operation at the
condition of relying on interoperable HFacs tags.<br>
This is not small stuff and to allow this to happen again shortly,
let's wait for Kate to give us a status of her work and once the
attributes contents are on the wiki let's look at our tagging for this
Health Fac layer which should not be too difficult since the OSM
MapFeatures coverage of Health Care-related objects is limited.<br>
URL <br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dhospital">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dhospital</a>
<br>
<br>
Hope this helps<br>
Best<br>
N<br>
<br>
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jgc@arkemie.com">jgc@arkemie.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"><span
style="font-family: Arial,Verdana,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); line-height: 20px;">Nicolas,
<br>
<br>
Can't we rely on healthC_ID for later incorporation of other tags
(which are mostly empty for now) ?<br>
</span></div>
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<div> </div>
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<br>
Isn't it a kind of emergency in itself to have the points, with precise
location, name, and unambiguous ID in the OSM data base ? For use on
the ground ?
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
"Any
groups tracking health facilities should make sure to incorporate this
identifier to enable unambiguous sharing/merging of data between
groups."<br>
<br>
</div>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Jean-Guilhem<br>
</span><br>
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<br>
Hi there<br>
<br>
Thanks Jean Guilhem for forwarding this post on this fundamental asset,
before embarking into any bulk upload and exposing ourselves to double
risk of duplication and data losses , we shall hear back from Kate
Chapman who had been involved in the work of the group making this
resource available and on conflating it with the OSM data base.<br>
<br>
We shall also look at the semantic aspect of this conflation work and
make sure the tags we will be setting for the HFacs description besides
the Unifying Unique ID set by the <span
style="font-family: Arial,Verdana,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); line-height: 20px;">Ministère
de
la Santé Publique et de la Population (MSPP)</span>
are interoperable with the ones used in the World Health Organization
(Geneva) and PAHO (Pan American World Health Organization).<br>
Since both organizations are envisaging to use the osm platform to
manage this Health Facility layer at the condition of relying on
interoperable tags. <br>
<br>
I'll be reverting to the group soon with the "final" list of proposed
values, a first unfortunately incomplete set is readable on the HT wiki
<br>
URL<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<br>
Later then<br>
Best to all<br>
N.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:17 AM,
Jean-Guilhem
Cailton <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jgc@arkemie.com" target="_blank">jgc@arkemie.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Hi,<br>
<br>
Could someone help automatically importing this list into OSM ? <br>
(At least X, Y, name, healthC_ID, for 1267 points)<br>
<br>
I could help to do some cleaning up with the points that might already
be present in OSM.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Jean-Guilhem<br>
(knowing JOSM, but no automatic import tool (yet ?))<br>
(jgc on irc #osm, #flossk)<br>
<br>
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<td>Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:02:43 -0600</td>
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The Haiti Health Facilities master list has now been made publicly
available at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sites.google.com/a/netspective.org/haiti-health-facilities/"
target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/a/netspective.org/haiti-health-facilities/</a>.
This
represents a combination of many efforts over the past two weeks.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Of particular note is the unique identifier <span
style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">HealthC_ID
which
is based on the </span><span
style="font-family: Arial,Verdana,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); line-height: 20px;">Ministère
de
la Santé Publique et de la Population (MSPP) of Haiti identifiers
expanded to allow for temporary and transient health facilities. Any
groups tracking health facilities should make sure to incorporate this
identifier to enable unambiguous sharing/merging of data between
groups. This dataset is owned by the MSPP and is being maintained by
WHO/PAHO and the website allows for submitting corrections and
additions to keep the dataset up to date.</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:17 AM,
Jean-Guilhem
Cailton <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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wrote:<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Hi,<br>
<br>
Could someone help automatically importing this list into OSM ? <br>
(At least X, Y, name, healthC_ID, for 1267 points)<br>
<br>
I could help to do some cleaning up with the points that might already
be present in OSM.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Jean-Guilhem<br>
(knowing JOSM, but no automatic import tool (yet ?))<br>
(jgc on irc #osm, #flossk)<br>
<br>
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href="http://sites.google.com/a/netspective.org/haiti-health-facilities/"
target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/a/netspective.org/haiti-health-facilities/</a>.
This
represents a combination of many efforts over the past two weeks.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Of particular note is the unique identifier <span
style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">HealthC_ID
which
is based on the </span><span
style="font-family: Arial,Verdana,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); line-height: 20px;">Ministère
de
la Santé Publique et de la Population (MSPP) of Haiti identifiers
expanded to allow for temporary and transient health facilities. Any
groups tracking health facilities should make sure to incorporate this
identifier to enable unambiguous sharing/merging of data between
groups. This dataset is owned by the MSPP and is being maintained by
WHO/PAHO and the website allows for submitting corrections and
additions to keep the dataset up to date.</span></div>
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