<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Shadrock<br><br>That number doesn't sound right for me, doesn't match the number of visible campsites at all in OSM.<br>So I suspect something is falling through the cracks in the process to create the Shapefile<br> .... I've added OSM Haiti list, and also Frederik Ramm, maintainer of the GeoFabrik extracts, to this thread.<br><br>The Humanitarian Data Model, providing inter-operable tags in core themes, is still in the design phase.<br><div>Once the model is set, we'll be implementing the model in editing and ETL tools.<br>
<span><a target="_blank" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap..org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Model#Internally_Displaced_People_.28IDPs.29_camp_site">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Model#Internally_Displaced_People_.28IDPs.29_camp_site</a></span><br></div><br>As for cooperation with IOM or whatever custodian develops for IDP camps, OSM definitely wants to be as<br>widely useful as possible. In my opinion, the crowd has lots to add to this, and other themes, and the<br>way forward to start is manually synchronizing the existing data, before looking at smoother interoperability<br>in the future.<br><br>Best<br>Mikel<br><br>== Mikel Maron ==<br>+254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron<br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://mapkibera.org/">http://mapkibera.org/</a></span><br><span><a target="_blank"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti</a></span><div><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Shadrock <shadrock.roberts@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> CrisisMappers <crisismappers@googlegroups.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sun, February 7, 2010 11:26:25 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [CrisisMappers] Re: Important request from Gov of Haiti - IDP database<br></font><br>
Hello All,<br><br>Comparing Parallel Efforts:<br><span>UNOSAT .kmz (Jan. 12: <a target="_blank" href="http://unosat.web.cern.ch/unosat/kml/UNOSAT-EQ-2010-000009-HTI.kmz">http://unosat.web.cern.ch/unosat/kml/UNOSAT-EQ-2010-000009-HTI.kmz</a>)</span><br>lists roughly 600 possible IDP points.<br><span>OCHA shelters cluster .kmz (Feb. :<a target="_blank" href="http://oneresponse.info/Disasters/">http://oneresponse.info/Disasters/</a></span><br>Haiti/publicdocuments/Forms/DispForm.aspx?ID=82) lists roughly 170<br>confirmed locations and more than 200 unconfirmed.<br><span>OSM data via Fabrik shapefile (Feb. 7: <a target="_blank" href="http://labs.geofabrik.de/haiti/">http://labs.geofabrik.de/haiti/</a>)</span><br>shows 38 points labeled with variations of “camp” tag.<br><br>There is some overlap, but also a lot of disparity in the .kmz files<br>and there are several examples of one “camp” having several points<br>within it, for both files. Only 38
points in OSM? I’m left with the<br>impression that there are, surely, more…<br><br>Questions:<br>1.) What’s the status of interoperable tags? Nicolas mentioned that<br>this is in process; should OSMers continue to use the current system?<br>2.) Should products identify the method (remote sensing, GPS) by which<br>IDP points were established to better compare them?<br>3.) Does the Fabrik shapefile include all of the data currently<br>displayed in OSM and, if so, would it be helpful/appropriate to<br>collate the above mentioned files into OMS and make the appropriate<br>additions/edits? I have a group of 15 students working on trying to<br>sort out IDP locations in OSM; should OSMers suspend IDP mapping until<br>there is an authoritative (IOM) IDP dataset inventory or product?<br>4.) Is there any plan to make imagery available for the southern part<br>of Haiti and the DR border? I’ve had requests for IDP identification<br>in these areas but
acquisition seems to be centered around PaP.<br><br>POPULATION ESTIMATES:<br>As Thomas Kemper mentioned, the distribution of camps makes using<br>areal estimation difficult. Other methods, that use dwelling unit<br>extraction with a predetermined occupancy rate, are equally stymied<br>since camps around PaP are not composed of discreet units but a<br>contiguous patchwork of fabric and tarps. Would it be possible to have<br>a ground crew sample some camps to determine an average number of<br>persons per area (e.g. sq. meter)? Shape files could then be used to<br>extrapolate a – very rough – estimate for individual camps. I know<br>it’s not very elegant, but as Paul Currion once wrote, they’re<br>estimates. At the very least, camps could be quickly categorized as<br>small, medium, and large based on some agreed scale (less than 25<br>tarps, more than 100, etc) and creative heads-up analysis. Again, this<br>would be pretty rough, but may offer a
way to prioritize. Just a<br>thought...<br><br><br>On Feb 7, 1:54 pm, Jim Malone <<a ymailto="mailto:jmalone...@gmail.com" href="mailto:jmalone...@gmail.com">jmalone...@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> I am attempting to develop a hydrologic/floodplain model (s) of the<br>> PAP and areas west from the WB 15cm LIDAR imagry, however, the data<br>> made available is Raster only, I need vector or xy&z coordinates to<br>> develop DEM's that can be used in engineering programs, I do not have<br>> the capability to convert the raster DEM and SEM files made available,<br>> could someone help me out.<br>> I am a Professional Engineer and Professional Land Surveyor with 40<br>> years of experience and could lend some assistance here if provided<br>> the data I need.<br>> Jim Malone<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:jmalone...@gmail.com" href="mailto:jmalone....@gmail.com">jmalone...@gmail.com</a><br>><br>> On 2/6/10, James
Wilson <<a ymailto="mailto:icea...@gmail.com" href="mailto:icea...@gmail.com">icea...@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>><br>><br>> > Thomas et al,<br>> > Cross-matching this location information with flood plain / hydrology data<br>> > would be helpful to see from a public health perspective.<br>> > Jim<br>><br>> > On 2/6/10 1:38 PM, "Thomas Kemper" <<a ymailto="mailto:thomas.kem...@jrc.ec.europa.eu" href="mailto:thomas.kem...@jrc.ec.europa.eu">thomas.kem...@jrc.ec.europa.eu</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> >> Dear Patrick,<br>><br>> >> Our approach to the enumeration of dwellings requires knowledge of the<br>> >> extend<br>> >> of the camps we developed it for large camps in Darfur, which are<br>> >> characterised by a rather homogeneous structure. Therefore it is very<br>> >> difficult (if not impossible) to apply this approach to the situation
in<br>> >> Haiti<br>> >> with IDP¹s located in small groups of tents, sheets, etc.<br>> >> However, I will discuss this with the colleagues next week again the<br>> >> only<br>> >> option I see is to do some kind of stratified sampling and statistical<br>> >> extrapolation using the KML provided by OCHA as a basis.<br>><br>> >> Regards,<br>><br>> >> Thomas<br>><br>> >> From: <a ymailto="mailto:crisismappers@googlegroups.com" href="mailto:crisismappers@googlegroups.com">crisismappers@googlegroups.com</a><br>> >> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:crisismappers@googlegroups.com" href="mailto:crisismappers@googlegroups.com">crisismappers@googlegroups.com</a>]<br>> >> On Behalf Of Patrick Meier<br>> >> Sent: 06 February 2010 22:17<br>> >> To: crisismappers<br>> >> Cc: david.hagan; alberto.lizzi; EHRLICH (JRC); Daniele Ehrlich;
Thomas<br>> >> Kemper;<br>> >> Rashid Kashif<br>> >> Subject: Re: [CrisisMappers] Important request from Gov of Haiti - IDP<br>> >> database<br>><br>> >> + Daniele Ehrlich + Thomas Kemper + Rashid Kashif<br>><br>> >> Thanks everyone, would be great to add a few IOM colleagues to this email<br>> >> thread.. Thanks also to PDC and HIU for their replies and data. Are there<br>> >> any<br>> >> other IDP population datasets available?<br>><br>> >> Hi Daniele (JRC),<br>><br>> >> Is there any way to leverage JRC's expertise in automated estimations of<br>> >> refugee populations using VHR satellite imagery to at least start getting<br>> >> some<br>> >> sense of relative magnitude? I'm referring to this earlier JRC project:<br>><br><span>> >><a target="_blank"
href="http://isferea.jrc.ec.europa.eu/Activities/ProjectPortfolio/Pages/Dwe">http://isferea.jrc.ec.europa.eu/Activities/ProjectPortfolio/Pages/Dwe</a>...</span><br>> >> eration.aspx<br>><br>> >> Hi Rashid (WFP),<br>><br>> >> We had gotten an excel file from you two weeks ago with 300+ IDP camps<br>> >> that<br>> >> needed to be geo-located. What's the latest on this excel file? Can we<br>> >> have an<br>> >> updated version?<br>><br>> >> All the best,<br>> >> Patrick<br>><br>> >> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Lisa Sheehe-Hilmi <<a ymailto="mailto:nad...@hotmail.com" href="mailto:nad...@hotmail.com">nad...@hotmail.com</a>><br>> >> wrote:<br>><br>> >> I did contact Christopher Gascon, former head of IOM in Sri Lanka, (now in<br>> >> Haiti) as IOM had an amazing software/data registration for the hundreds<br>>
>> of<br>> >> thousands in IDP camps in Sri Lanka post-tsunami. Instead of duplication,<br>> >> if<br>> >> it was available and appropriate, possibly adaptable, etc. They have the<br>> >> experience with this, so it would be appropriate they would take the lead.<br>> >> I<br>> >> believe he is looking into it.<br>><br>> >> Best Regards,<br>> >> Lisa<br>><br>> >> Lisa M. Hilmi<br>> >> 201-233-1473<br>><br>> >> <a ymailto="mailto:nad...@hotmail.com" href="mailto:nad....@hotmail.com">nad...@hotmail.com</a><br>><br>> >>> > Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 00:03:19 -0500<br>> >>> > Subject: Re: [CrisisMappers] Important request from Gov of Haiti - IDP<br>> >>> database<br>> >>> > From: <a ymailto="mailto:j.val...@gmail.com" href="mailto:j.val...@gmail.com">j.val...@gmail.com</a><br>>
>>> > To: <a ymailto="mailto:crisismappers@googlegroups.com" href="mailto:crisismappers@googlegroups.com">crisismappers@googlegroups.com</a><br>> >>> > CC: <a ymailto="mailto:david.ha...@sagehagan.com" href="mailto:david.ha...@sagehagan.com">david.ha...@sagehagan.com</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:alberto.li...@undp.org" href="mailto:alberto.li...@undp.org">alberto.li...@undp.org</a><br>><br>> >>> > I would say that definitely IOM should be involved. It is a big player<br>> >>> > with enough capacity, experience and resources to coordinate such<br>> >>> > process (both on INGO and governmental level). Actually, they already<br>> >>> > expressed some interest in having a mapping tool that would help them<br>> >>> > to handle the situation, but so far it is just this initial<br>> >>> > information I have. Anyway, once there are some more
comprehensive<br>> >>> > data we can provide, it could be introduced to them and consequently<br>> >>> > used as a starter for further cooperation (together with relevant<br>> >>> > governmental body).<br>> >>> > Jaro<br>><br>> >>> > On 2/5/10, jerri husch <<a ymailto="mailto:jerrihu...@gmail.com" href="mailto:jerrihu...@gmail.com">jerrihu...@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> >>>> > > Dear all contributing to this thread....<br>><br>> >>>> > > Thank you for the conversation and insights... This is a really a<br>> >>>> > > fundamental and important question---and signifies a shift in data<br>> >>>> gathering<br>> >>>> > > priorities.....and a good sign that the "powers that be" are asking<br>> >>>> > > for<br>> >>>> help<br>>
>>>> > > with coordination...atleast there is a request to coordinate--vs.<br>> >>>> > > the<br>> > "we<br>> >>>> > > can do it ourselves" attitude of many crisis situations. Now we need<br>> >>>> > > to<br>> > see<br>> >>>> > > what the follow through is--and if there will indeed be coordination<br>><br>> > both<br>> >>>> > > within and between the various sectors working in Haiti..<br>><br>> >>>> > > If the IDP locations can begin to be clearly mapped and other data<br>> >>>> > > sets<br>> >>>> > > included, we will be able to track the evolution of the actions<br>> >>>> associated<br>> >>>> > > with policy---or lack of policy--that is accepted by all the key<br>> >>>> > > actors<br>>
>>>> > > seeking to create a stable base to work from as decisions continue<br>> >>>> > > to be<br>> >>>> > > made that will define the future of Haiti.<br>><br>> >>>> > > The call for coordination around the volatile issue of IDP is an<br>> >>>> important<br>> >>>> > > first step. Now the real question is "how to coordinate" all of this<br>> >>>> > > data-----yet another question of data standardization codes and how<br>> >>>> > > to<br>> >>>> > > create the systems capable of working with the evolving data sets<br>> >>>> > > and<br>> >>>> > > rapidly changing social context.<br>><br>> >>>> > > Jer<br>><br>> >>>> > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:37 PM, John Livengood <<a
ymailto="mailto:jliveng...@pdc.org" href="mailto:jliveng...@pdc.org">jliveng...@pdc.org</a>><br>> >>>> wrote:<br>><br>> >>>>> > >> The emergency shelter cluster has released a kmz of IDP locations.<br>> >>>>> Those<br>> >>>>> > >> locations verified have attributes such as sanitation / water<br>> >>>>> > >> source /<br>> >>>>> > >> population. The kmz can be downloaded from<br>><br><span>> ><a target="_blank" href="http://oneresponse.info/Disasters/Haiti/publicdocuments/Forms/DispFor">http://oneresponse.info/Disasters/Haiti/publicdocuments/Forms/DispFor</a>...>>>></span><br>> > ?ID=82<br>><br>> >>>>> > >> I suspect it will be another week or so before we see which<br>> >>>>> > >> shelter<br>> >>>>>
sites<br>> >>>>> > >> will become the primary IDP locations. Initially the goal was to<br>> >>>>> relocate<br>> >>>>> > >> people to formal shelter sites but that seems to have changed. The<br>> >>>>> > >> shelter<br>> >>>>> > >> and NFI cluster has released a few sites that are schedule for<br>> >>>>> > >> improvement.<br>> >>>>> > >> Mainly in Delmas and the golf course. There are some coordinates<br>> >>>>> > >> associated<br>> >>>>> > >> with the spread sheet which can be found at<br>> >>>>> > >><a target="_blank" href="http://www.shelterhaiti.org">www.shelterhaiti.org</a><span><<a target="_blank" href="http://www.shelterhaiti.org">http://www.shelterhaiti.org</a>></span><br><span>>
>>>>> <<a target="_blank" href="http://groups.google..com/group/shelterhaiti2010/">http://groups.google.com/group/shelterhaiti2010/</a>>.</span><br>> >>>>> > >> I¹ve attached the latest version which I will begin to map next<br>> >>>>> > >> week<br>> > if I<br>> >>>>> > >> don¹t see additional updates by Monday.<br>><br>> >>>>> > >> v/r,<br>><br>> >>>>> > >> John<br>><br>> >>>>> > >> Pacific Disaster Center<br>><br>> >>>>> > >> *From:* <a ymailto="mailto:crisismappers@googlegroups.com" href="mailto:crisismappers@googlegroups.com">crisismappers@googlegroups.com</a> [mailto:<br>> >>>>> > >> <a ymailto="mailto:crisismappers@googlegroups.com"
href="mailto:crisismappers@googlegroups.com">crisismappers@googlegroups.com</a>] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Meier<br>> >>>>> > >> (CrisisMappers)<br>> >>>>> > >> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 5:34 AM<br>> >>>>> > >> *To:* crisismappers<br>> >>>>> > >> *Subject:* [CrisisMappers] Important request from Gov of Haiti -<br>> >>>>> > >> IDP<br>> >>>>> > >> database<br>><br>> >>>>> > >> Dear All,<br>><br>> >>>>> > >> Our colleagues at Google have kindly informed the GoH about the<br>> >>>>> > >> work<br>> > of<br>> >>>>> > >> the<br>> >>>>> > >> CrisisMappers Group in Haiti, which is why I just received this<br>> >>>>> request<br>>
>>>>> > >> from<br>> >>>>> > >> the GoH:<br>><br>> >>>>> > >> The latest OCHA sitrep (#17) states about camp coordination and<br>> >>>>> management<br>> >>>>> > >> that "*a major gap is the lack of a common registration system for<br>> >>>>> > >> displaced people*".<br>><br>> >>>>> > >> I am sure you have powerful resources on the ground here in Haiti.<br>> >>>>> > >> I<br>> > have<br>> >>>>> > >> people from various groups (IDP sites, neighborhood associations,<br>><br>> > local<br>> >>>>> > >> government and municipalities as well as the Bureau of Civil<br>> >>>>> Protection)<br>> >>>>> > >> all<br>> >>>>> >
>> attempting to record data involving the IDP populations. There are<br>> >>>>> > >> two<br>> >>>>> > >> different Haitian databases springing up with this data and I am<br>> >>>>> > >> sure<br>> > that<br>> >>>>> > >> you are collecting pieces of the same information. How can we<br>> >>>>> collaborate<br>> >>>>> > >> in<br>> >>>>> > >> order to put some order in the chaos?<br>><br>> >>>>> > >> Could you please reply to this email thread with any<br>> >>>>> > >> links/attachments<br>> > to<br>> >>>>> > >> IDP data that you may have. I will compile/merge them and send the<br>> >>>>> data to<br>> >>>>> > >> the GoH and cc all
contributors.<br>><br>> >>>>> > >> Best wishes,<br>><br>> >>>>> > >> Patrick<br>><br>> >>>>> > >> ----<br>> >>>>> > >> Director of Crisis Mapping<br>> >>>>> > >> and Strategic Partnerships<br><span>> >>>>> > >><a target="_blank" href="http://www.Ushahidi.com">http://www.Ushahidi.com</a></span><br>><br>> >>>>> > >> Professional Blogger<br><span>> >>>>> > >><a target="_blank" href="http://www.iRevolution.net">http://www.iRevolution.net</a>< --- blog</span><br>><br>> >>>>> > >> --<br>> >>>>> > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google<br>> >>>>> Groups<br>> >>>>> > >> "CrisisMappers" group.<br>>
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