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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Pierre<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>OSM is chaotic by nature. There are no professors<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>telling you what’s best. There are conventions, most often<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>because these are the best way to do things.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Don’t feel stopped to choose your way of communicating<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>with the rest of us, IRC, talk, or via the WIKI.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Play with it, see what works for you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Normally wiki pages will not erase as easy like that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There is always the show <preview button> so as<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>you can see what happens, and if you are not happy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>do not confirm. Ask others to help you a bit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Learn by copying, both in the wiki and in OSM itself.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you don’t understand , ask, or ignore. If you<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>don’t understand something it’s because someone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>else communicated carelessly. In your<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>case of “need link” , do not hesitate to edit the wiki <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>page and put “what link ?”besides.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It won’t take long until another user corrects, adds or
improves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And really, invest some time in JOSM, it pays off.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Gert<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><b><span lang=NL
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span
lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
talk-ht-bounces@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-ht-bounces@openstreetmap.org] <b>Namens
</b>infosbelas-gps@yahoo.fr<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 12 februari 2010 19:00<br>
<b>Aan:</b> talk-ht@openstreetmap.org<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Talk-ht] Onboarding new mappers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>I am new to
Openstreetmap. I came three weeks ago to help for Haiti. I didn't pas thru Edit
camps and learned by myself. I've edited almost everyday since : refugee camps,
hospital tags, rivers.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Even if I have a lot of
experience with computers, I find that theres a steep learning slope with
learning how to edit and communicate with other users. And I don't have
answers to all my interrogations.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I can modify tags or trace
a way. Im am not sure yet if y connect to ways of a same river properly. </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I can communicate, but not
sure yet of doing everything things properly. I have edited some wiki pages,
but not sure how to identify myself. The member guggis told me to add four
~~~~~ and test with the sandbox page. I edited the sandbox page and since then
only my name appears on that page. These type of things don't give you to much
confidence that you can communicate in the wiki without erasing everything.</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Also, from one wiki page
project to the other, ways of communicating are different. When we work on a
project (by exemple rivers), should we indicate it in the wiki page of the
project or instead send a mail to the talk-ht?</span><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>On the page WikiProject
Haiti/Tasks and Ideas/RiverLabeling, it is often said </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <strong><i><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>need link to the OSM object</span></i></strong>.
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>What this means? And from the successive ways composing a
river, those a hierarchy object have to be created. If so, How? </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I still prefer Potlach to
JOSM. I can modifiy tags in both. But, In Potlach, I find ways more
easier and navigate more easily. But I progress.</span><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>And as it as been suggested
by many from the Haiti experience, some kind of general tutorial for new
collaborators covering the different aspects of editing and communicating would
be welcome.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:silver'>Pierre Béland </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left'><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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