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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Right, I use the topo map mainly for fining names of regions,
and hamlet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>and mountain peaks…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It’s too old anyway to trace roads with. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Use it with the satellite images only !<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards,<br>
<br>
Ing. Gert Gremmen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:g.gremmen@cetest.nl"><span
style='color:blue'>g.gremmen@cetest.nl</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="www.cetest.nl"><span lang=NL
style='color:blue'>www.cetest.nl</span></a></span></i><i><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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</span><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#A6A6A6'>Kiotoweg 363</span></i><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#A6A6A6'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#A6A6A6'>3047 BG Rotterdam<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#A6A6A6'>T 31(0)104152426<br>
F 31(0)104154953<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=222
height=128 id="Afbeelding_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.gif@01CAACC4.60794C10"
alt="cid:image001.gif@01C83BEC.6ED606E0"></span><b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green'>P</span><b><span
lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span></b><b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:green'>Before
printing, think about the environment.</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Van:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> talk-ht-bounces@openstreetmap.org
[mailto:talk-ht-bounces@openstreetmap.org] <b>Namens </b>David Groom<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:01 PM<br>
<b>Aan:</b> talk-ht@openstreetmap.org<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> [Talk-ht] TopoMap 1:50k Was: Onboarding new mappers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Certainly the west around the Dame Marie &
Jeremie areas, the topomap 1:50k layer is way out of alignment with any other
data source. Its seems OK in other areas I have looked at.</span><span
style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Its Ok if you have really recognisable features such as a
coastline to re-align the topomap layer, but I fear inland that much data
may be traced by less experienced mappers which is simply in the wrong place.</span><span
style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>David</span><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a
href="mailto:g.gremmen@cetest.nl" title="g.gremmen@cetest.nl">ce-test,
qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:talk-ht@openstreetmap.org"
title="talk-ht@openstreetmap.org">talk-ht@openstreetmap.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Friday, February 12, 2010 2:57 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Re: [Talk-ht] Onboarding new mappers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There is a huge amount of stuff to map in rural areas.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Install java en download JOSM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Install the WMS plug-in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Choose a rural area
somewhere, not to big and download data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>play around and study JOSM
for an hour or so, ask questions if you need to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Install WMS layers “best
aerial” and TOPO 50K<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>6.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>JOSM may shift layers so as
to align them, to already avalaible data : the topo map below is less then 100
meter off however.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>7.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>compare and map rivers,
hamlets, roads (most tracks anyway) land slidings , important buildings
mountain peaks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>8.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The tope map gives you a
wealth of names and places and mountains peaks to map<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>9.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The areal pictures show you
roads, buildings and rivers (depends on available resolution in your area)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>10.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Study, compare and add
missing items<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>11.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Report the area you are
working on to this list (topo map reference lines ?) to avoid duplicates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>WMS links for JOSM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>best aerial : <a
href="http://hypercube.telascience.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?map=/geo/haiti/mapfiles/4326.map&layers=haiti-best&request=GetMap&version=1.0.0&styles=&format=image/jpeg&service=WMS&">http://hypercube.telascience.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?map=/geo/haiti/mapfiles/4326.map&layers=haiti-best&request=GetMap&version=1.0.0&styles=&format=image/jpeg&service=WMS&</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>topomap 1:50K (all of Haiti)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://hypercube.telascience.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?map=/home/ortelius/haiti/haiti.map&layers=haiti-tlm-50&request=GetMap&version=1.0.0&styles=&format=image/jpeg&service=WMS&">http://hypercube.telascience.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?map=/home/ortelius/haiti/haiti.map&layers=haiti-tlm-50&request=GetMap&version=1.0.0&styles=&format=image/jpeg&service=WMS&</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Well you also might map using the potlatch editor, but you won’t
have 2 layers to switch to,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>and while potlatch is easier to start with ….. JOSM will do much
better and accurate mapping,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>and has some features (like Q : make a building or area
square-angled) and add-node-on-the fly<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You should see me mapping rivers / areas with that, that you
will miss very much.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Oh, do not forget to connect roads to roads, other wise a router
may never find them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Loose roads are of no use .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> Well, see for yourself.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Gert Gremmen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Regards<br>
Karl <o:p></o:p></p>
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