nem is tudtam, hogy ilyen is van: <b>science-geography</b><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Peter Gervai <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:grinapo@gmail.com">grinapo@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
Nahát, ezt ma kaptam. Érdekes, jó.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Arra gondoltam elsonek, hogy milyen problemakat fog ez felvetni. </div><div><br></div><div>Nagyobb hirnev melett megkapja a wikipedia allando problemait:</div>
<div> - vandalizmus</div><div> - profibb verziokezeles kell</div><div> - profibb felugyelet kell, akar reszenkent (koordinator, admin fele)</div><div> - jogi vonatkozasait sokkal jobban tisztazni kell, illetve a kulso hivaltozasokat jol lekezelni, hogy ne erhesse tamadas, mikor a figyelem kozeppontjaba kerul</div>
<div><br></div><div>Abbol a szempontbol jonak tunik a dolog, hogy a wikimedia ad az eroforrasaibol, tudasabol, ami rafer az OSM-re :)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <<a href="mailto:avarab@gmail.com">avarab@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 16:28<br>
Subject: [Wikitech-l] Where we are now on getting OpenStreetMap into<br>
Wikipedia and what we need to do<br>
To: Map integration <<a href="mailto:maps-l@lists.wikimedia.org">maps-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a>>, osmdev<br>
<<a href="mailto:dev@openstreetmap.org">dev@openstreetmap.org</a>>, openstreetmap <<a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>>,<br>
Wikimedia developers <<a href="mailto:wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org">wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a>>,<br>
<a href="mailto:toolserver-l@lists.wikimedia.org">toolserver-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a>, <a href="mailto:ts-admins@toolserver.org">ts-admins@toolserver.org</a>,<br>
Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch <<a href="mailto:talk-de@openstreetmap.org">talk-de@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
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<br>
Hello there. This is a quick status update on the project to get<br>
OpenStreetMap maps into Wikipedia and on the Wikimedia/OpenStreetMap<br>
toolserver setup. For those that don't know what it's all about we're:<br>
<br>
* Setting up a testing platform (ptolemy & ortelius) to serve OSM<br>
maps in Wikipedia which can be rolled into production<br>
* Setting up a toolserver (cassini) which interested parties can use<br>
to write tools that use OSM data. And combine it with Wikimedia data<br>
if they want.<br>
<br>
Here's an (outdated!) wiki page with some more info:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap" target="_blank">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap</a><br>
<br>
And here's a recent talk I gave at Wikimania discussing the current status:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proceedings:143" target="_blank">http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proceedings:143</a><br>
<br>
Until now we only had 1/3 machines active & accessible due to various<br>
combinations of waiting for hardware, people being busy and it being<br>
unclear who actually got access to those machines that I won't go<br>
into.<br>
<br>
That one machine was the nascent WMOSM Toolserver Cassini. I set up a<br>
prototype multilingular rendering (since ptolemy and ortelius weren't<br>
available at the time) which you can see here:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://cassini.toolserver.org/tile-browse/" target="_blank">http://cassini.toolserver.org/tile-browse/</a><br>
<br>
What we need to to currently is:<br>
<br>
* Admins to set up ptolemy / ortelius so that they replicate the DB /<br>
mirror tiles<br>
* Get interested users/developers to *use* cassini for their tools so<br>
we can get neat stuff like the multilingular-country-list<br>
(<a href="http://cassini.toolserver.org/~mazder/multilingual-country-list/" target="_blank">http://cassini.toolserver.org/~mazder/multilingual-country-list/</a>).<br>
Sign up here: <a href="https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Account_request" target="_blank">https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Account_request</a><br>
* Cassini also needs some admin love<br>
* Work on this buglist (and more bugs) to get OSM into Wikipedia:<br>
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/nv2sap" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/nv2sap</a><br>
<br>
I did most of this on Cassini (see setup notes:<br>
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/mbblj3" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/mbblj3</a>) but I have limited time on it (especially<br>
until Christmas) and system administration isn't my strong suit. So<br>
unless we get other people to help this project is going to go<br>
*slooowly* and you won't have OSM on Wikipedia until 2010.<br>
<br>
Before WM2009 we had the unfortunate problem of interested parties<br>
needing to do the above not getting access due to the issues above.<br>
However the machines are up *now* and during WM2009 uncertainties<br>
about who could grant access were finally solved (brion will be<br>
dictator).<br>
<br>
So, any potential admins for ptolemy and ortelius will have to:<br>
<br>
1. Be qualified & motivated<br>
<br>
Preferably someone who's worked with the OSM toolchain or is willing<br>
to learn. If you're maintaining your own ad-hoc rendering somewhere<br>
and are running out of server space you'll probably be motivated to<br>
get this working sooner.<br>
<br>
2. Reveal their name & address to the Wikimedia foundation<br>
<br>
That's a requirement Wikimedia requires of all server administrators.<br>
<br>
3. Agree to Wikimedia's privacy policy<br>
<br>
URL: <a href="http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy" target="_blank">http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy</a><br>
<br>
ptolemy and ortelius are otherwise distinct servers on the Wikimedia<br>
network so this amounts to basically not being silly and running a<br>
Quake III server on them, or nmap-ing the Internet.<br>
<br>
Cassini is more sensitive and harder to gain access to since root<br>
admins on Cassini have access to private data about Wikimedia users<br>
(e.g. raw database access, login cookies and so on).<br>
<br>
But in both cases we should be able to give elevated non-Unix-root<br>
privileges. All of this pending approval by Wikimedia of course.<br>
<br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>T.<br>