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<P>How about this?</P>
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<P>1) Proper expressways. Mumbai-Pune, Ahmedabad-Vadodara and a few bypasses
bult by nhai: motorway</P>
<P>2)Upgraded national highways. at least 4lane divided with shoulders. gq, nsew
etc. most of them fall in the nhdp project <A
title="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHDP
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target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHDP</A>: trunk</P>
<P>3)Upgraded nh's, 2lane with shoulders. like the nh4 between chitoor and
kolar, nh67 mangalore-hassan: Primary</P>
<P>4)other nh's. single lane: Primary</P>
<P>5)upgraded sh. 4lane divided, like the banglore-mysore highway:
Primary/trunk</P>
<P>6)other sh 2/1 lane : Secondary</P>
<P>7) district roads: Tertiary</P>
<P>8) others/rural roads between villages: Tertiary</P></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards<BR>Shajeer</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=thePlaneMad@gmail.com
href="mailto:thePlaneMad@gmail.com">PlaneMad</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 16 October 2008 17:13</DIV>
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<P>I wonder if the day will ever come when the country will have a widespread
expressway network. so in addition to (1) i think we can also tag (2) between
tollbooths as motorways, as these are pretty high speed highways anyway. i think
almost all tolled roads are high speed roads (>80kmph), right?</P>
<P>Anything else that is non-tolled and atleast 4lane divided can be trunk. (3)
and (5) fall under that<BR></P>
<P>(4) is primary</P>
<P>(6) is secondary</P>
<P>everything else tertiary?</P><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:06 PM, PlaneMad <SPAN
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<P>Good idea. These are the kind of roads we have:<BR></P>
<P>1) Proper expressways. Mumbai-Pune, Ahmedabad-Vadodara and a few bypasses
bult by nhai</P>
<P>2)Upgraded national highways. at least 4lane divided with shoulders. gq,
nsew etc. most of them fall in the nhdp project <A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHDP"
target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHDP</A></P>
<P>3)Upgraded nh's, 2lane with shoulders. like the nh4 between chitoor and
kolar, nh67 mangalore-hassan</P>
<P>4)other nh's. single lane</P>
<P>5)upgraded sh. 4lane divided, like the banglore-mysore highway</P>
<P>6)other sh 2/1 lane</P>
<P>7) district roads</P>
<P>8) others/rural roads between villages</P>
<P>We need to devise one tagging system within metropolitan areas and one
outside metropolitan areas.</P>
<P>That isnt an NHAI map btw, its mine ;)</P>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Shajeer Mohammed <SPAN
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Can we can baseline the tagging based on color
codes given on the NHAI map- <A
href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/India_simplified_roadway_map.svg"
target=_blank>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/India_simplified_roadway_map.svg</A> (big
file)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards<BR>Shajeer</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=thePlaneMad@gmail.com
href="mailto:thePlaneMad@gmail.com" target=_blank>PlaneMad</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:24</DIV>
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<P>Even 10,000 active mappers wont be enough to update the status of roads
frequently. how many mappers would you expect who travel by road on 60000kms
of national highways daily? While this can be done on heavily used nh's like
the golden quad etc but its an impractical approach to follow for all the
roads. I agree thats its really useful for motorists to know the condition
of the road, but it would require a huge and highly unsustainable
effort.</P>
<P>This is the kind of info that i would like to see as an overlay to the
map, like how you have live traffic status in google maps. That said, i'm
not telling you not to continue your work with nh67, but it would be
impossible to replicate this approach on our huge network of highways whose
length total more than 200,000kms (nh+sh).<BR></P>
<P>I'm planning to give a session on osm at <A
href="http://www.barcampchennai.org/index.php?title=Main_Page"
target=_blank>barcamp chennai this saturday</A>, so it would be great if we
can agree on something by then.</P>
<P>cheers</P>
<P>-arun</P><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
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<DIV>On Thursday 16 October 2008 11:51:58 am Shajeer Mohammed
wrote:<BR>> It is great to have a dedicated person like you who can map
and make<BR>> changes to roads as their condition changes. But for most
people including<BR>> me, I rarely go back and vist the same road once
its mapped.<BR><BR></DIV>not dedication - I travel these roads every day.
So can update the condition<BR>daily. Which is the case with all of us -
we maintain our areas. Currently<BR>there are about 10-12 active people in
India, but soon there will be<BR>thousands - in that case daily updates of
road conditions is possible. That<BR>is why we are better than google<BR>
<DIV><BR>> So if we cant<BR>> come up with once standard lets then
come up with 2!. Even though there are<BR>> no standards on
construction quality, number of lanes etc..., there is a<BR>> standard
on the ownership of the roads. NHAI owns all National Highways and<BR>>
Bypasses. State government PWD owns all state highways and local roads
are<BR>> owned by local civic bodies.<BR>> So looks like the
disagreement is on tagging national highways and state<BR>> highways. I
guess we all agree on express ways?<BR><BR></DIV>We all agree on
expressways - no problem<BR><BR>1. Trunk - connecting major cities. So we
have to agree on major cities:<BR><BR>metros - Mum, Chen, Del and Kol
(maybe also bengaluru and hyderabad)<BR><BR>2. Primary - connecting 2 tier
cities to each other and to major cities<BR><BR>2 tier cities: coimbatore,
pune, madurai, mangalore, ahmedabad ...<BR><BR>3. Secondary - connecting
district headquarters to state capitals or other<BR>district
headquarters<BR><BR>4. Everything else tertiary or less<BR><BR>This is
regardless of who owns the road<BR><BR>Within cities - just map using
common sense - basically, size of the road and<BR>amount of usage.<BR>
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