<div dir="ltr">Some time back, I did some quick research on how we officially recorded the names of places in India, might be an interesting read: <a href="https://gist.github.com/planemad/decdf608776726de1007">https://gist.github.com/planemad/decdf608776726de1007</a><div><br></div><div>Related projects that could help expand language coverage in India is attempting latin to indic language and cross indic language transliterations:</div><div>- <a href="https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.ime/tree/master/rules">https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.ime/tree/master/rules</a><br></div><div>- <a href="http://libindic.org">http://libindic.org</a></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Arun Ganesh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arun.planemad@gmail.com" target="_blank">arun.planemad@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Its surprising we all agree that using the latin script as default for local names throughout the country is most usable. Wish we had more perspectives from rural users of the map, but I guess at the moment we have not reached there.<div><br></div><div>This issue would come up again if that happens and local scripts are used for the default over latin, something similar is already happening in Bangladesh <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=11/23.1262/89.1843" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=11/23.1262/89.1843</a></div><div><br></div><div>For now, I guess lets freeze on the latin alphabet as default for all urban areas of the map. To sum up:</div><div><br></div><div>- The default `name` of a feature is that name and spelling that is recognized by the local public, preferably recorded in the latin script for data consistency throughout the country. Use a localized script only if there is no recognized latin spelling for the name</div><div>- The localized spellings and scripts should be added in the corresponding `name:lang` tags</div><div>- Due to complications arising over the ordering of multiple languages and scripts in a label, no `name` tag should contain more than one variation of the name, use a different tag for each variation</div><div><br></div><div>If no major corrections, I can add it to the wiki this week and we can make changes there.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Arun Ganesh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arun.planemad@gmail.com" target="_blank">arun.planemad@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Moved some old instructions for setting up a tileserver that Johnson wrote to <a href="https://github.com/osm-in/tileserver" target="_blank">https://github.com/osm-in/tileserver</a> <div><br></div><div>Anyone interested in setting up a custom tileserver with Indic language rendering, please feel free to expand.</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:16 AM, Chetan H A <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chetanha91@gmail.com" target="_blank">chetanha91@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I totally agree to follow current convention we have now. Multilingual names can't be supported in India. We have 22 official languages in India and If every language names were added with English names will clutter the map. It's good to add separately using " name:lang=* " tag. <a href="http://taginfo.openstreetmap.in/search?q=name%3A" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">http://taginfo.openstreetmap.in/search?q=name%3A</a> <div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Chethan</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Arun Ganesh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arun.planemad@gmail.com" target="_blank">arun.planemad@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Not having map tiles available for the various languages is definitely a problem, which motivates one to tag in such a way just so that the local name is visible. Efforts to create an Indic language tileserver have not really taken off, and probably this is what we should reconsider with more seriousness.<div><br></div><div>Experiments so far:</div><div>- <a href="http://openstreetmap.in/demo.html#9.99/13.9372/75.6525" target="_blank">http://openstreetmap.in/demo.html</a> which is a little futuristic but very flexible for as many languages as possible. One blocker is that complex text shaping to render Indic scripts correctly is unknown when this will happen <a href="https://github.com/osm-in/openstreetmap.in/issues/14#issuecomment-193619651" target="_blank">https://github.com/osm-in/openstreetmap.in/issues/14#issuecomment-193619651</a></div><div>- <a href="http://mlm.jochentopf.com" target="_blank">http://mlm.jochentopf.com</a> looks like a good experiment worth replicating, but there are not much details on how it was done</div><div>- <a href="http://yogiks.github.io/osm-kn/map/" target="_blank">http://yogiks.github.io/osm-kn/map/</a> World Kannada map made by Yogesh. At the moment probably the most practical approach.</div><div><br></div><div>If we have a regularly updated working demo of Indic language tiles for the major languages, this could better demonstrate the practical application of using the name tags correctly. Anyone have other experiments to share?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Yogesh K S <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yogesh@itforchange.net" target="_blank">yogesh@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I too agree with keeping the current convention of name tags for
multilingual names. Belgium has just two languages and in context of
our regional languages, first mapper rule can create conflicts as
Arun indicated previously. Perhaps we should try to improve the
current state of multilingual names in India -
<a href="http://taginfo.openstreetmap.in/search?q=name%3A" target="_blank">http://taginfo.openstreetmap.in/search?q=name%3A</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr">It would help greatly if mappers could see names in
other languages on a rendered map. I see that the demo, for
instance at <a href="http://openstreetmap.in/demo.html#9.99/13.9372/75.6525" target="_blank">http://openstreetmap.in/demo.html#9.99/13.9372/75.6525</a>
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Found a little more about this topic in a discussion <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_India#Use_English_for_the_.22name.22_tag" target="_blank">here</a>. We could put the details about
multilingual naming for India in <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names" target="_blank">this page</a>. So that anybody referring
to this page in the future for naming convention, will get
an idea about existing conventions followed for India.
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AM, Thejesh GN <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:i@thejeshgn.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:i@thejeshgn.com" target="_blank">i@thejeshgn.com</a>></span>
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<p dir="ltr">I think the existing convention
works really well. Use name tag for latin
script and specific language tag for that
language names. I think this makes it easy
to work and also divide work.</p>
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<div dir="ltr">Bringing this up since
there are recent edits adding
multilingual labels to the `name`
tag [1][2].
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<div>The current convention that has
been followed is to use `name` for
the local name in latin script.
The reasoning if I remember was
two fold:</div>
<div>- English being one of the
official languages, latin script
is widely used in cities and in
public signages in smaller towns.
Only in villages it is uncommon.</div>
<div>- Keeping the tagging
convention simple[3], that could
be used throughout the country in
a standard way</div>
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<div>Keeping just one name in each
tag, we have been able to avoid
issues like the first mapper
rule[4] that could cause
unnecessary regional conflicts
over ordering of scripts like in
Belgium (and they have just two
languages).</div>
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<div>Since we can add the regional
names in their own name:lang tag,
no data is ultimately lost, and it
is upto the data consumer to
choose which language to support
for the user.</div>
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<div>Would be great to hear
positives and negatives of this
approach and how it benefits the
public Is it time to revise this
convention to be more regional
rather than national?</div>
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<div>[1] <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40472998" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40472998</a></div>
<div>[2] <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40479683" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40479683</a></div>
<div>[3] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_India#Naming_in_different_scripts_and_languages" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_India#Naming_in_different_scripts_and_languages</a><br clear="all">
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